Putting all politics aside, this world and the United States are about to go through a rapid and major change. It you thought was a bumpy ride, it’s time to buckle up and realize politics, politicians, and much of our leadership has failed us. How do we live in this world when we are not supposed to be “of” this world?” Bob’s guest is the Rev. Dr. Timothy Gahles. Together they talk about how we are called to live in, but not of, this world.