In this episode Miguel interviews colleagues in various locations throughout what is currently called the United States. Together they examine operating inside of a system, scarcity and success. Featuring conversations with Cynthia Oliver, Rosie Herrera, Antonio Ramos and Amara Tabor-Smith.

Miguel interviews a suite of international artists to understand how it works (or doesn't) in other places. Featuring conversations with Simone Aughterlony, Dana Michel, Zihan Loo, Luke George and Eleanor Bauer.

In this episode, Miguel interviews three of the original NEA 4: Holly Hughes, John Fleck and Karen Finley. Miguel also speaks with John Frohnmayer, who was the Chairman of the NEA at the time of the infamous attack on un-censored art.

In the first of two episodes about government funding, Miguel offers various ways that dance and performance received “public” money, including some sources that may surprise you. Guests include Sharon Ann Musher, author of Democratic Art: The New Deal’s Influence on American Culture, and Clare Croft, author of Dancers As Diplomats: American Choreography in Cultural Exchange.

In this episode Miguel offers some history on the relationship between art and money to see how we got to where we are now. This episode features a conversation with Edgar Villanueva, author of Decolonizing Wealth and interdisciplinary artist and art bruja Stephanie Acosta.

Special voice over moment by Tess Dworman

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Transcript of audio:

[Strumming Music Sound]

Voice 1 (Edgar Villanueva)

Philanthropy as a sector exists because of capitalism and the accumulation of wealth in the first place…

Voice 2 (Stephanie Acosta)

There is no such thing as making wealth that isn’t part of a community…

Voice 3 (Karen Finley)

Why I was so committed to non-profits or NEA or funding for the arts is because then people do not have to be dependent on only the wealthy

Voice 4 (Sara Juli) 

Well at the end of the day, you fighting for you work, which we fight for our work in all sorts of other ways

MIGUEL:

[Sung with playful music] Art and money and dance and money and what is the right thing to do with that? When the system's so fucked up, [gets louder and harmonizes] are you for sale?