When Dan Gilroy sat down with his brother, Andor creator Tony Gilroy, and fellow writers Tom Bissell and Beau Willimon, to work on the Emmy-nominated show’s second and final season, he knew they had a tall task ahead. “On a lot of shows, climax means spectacle, and throwing a lot of money on the screen and looking for things to break and crash,” Dan Gilroy says to Ankler Media deputy editor Christopher Rosen on the latest episode of the Art & Crafts podcast. “That was not our climax. Our climax is a moral, character-driven climax, and in many ways, it’s driven by Rogue One [the Star Wars prequel movie that introduced audiences to the Andor title character, played by Diego Luna]. So the audience knows what’s going to happen to these people at the end, when this is all said and done. Most of them are going to die, which is a very unusual starting place. However, it gives you tremendous power as you’re barreling toward your climax.” Listen to Gilroy, director Janus Metz and costume designer Michael Wilkinson discuss their Emmy-nominated work in the episode, sponsored by Disney+.