The opening paragraph of Debbie Clapper's artist statement perfectly sums up our time together: "My work's main intention is to take the viewer beyond the surface level, delving deep into the piece, allowing exploration and self-reflection." Debbie loves abstract art because it can be anything and nothing. In this conversation, we explore her endless curiosity for grace, how she overcomes the critical voices that show up in the middle of the night, and how she took what she learned from her graphic design business to transform her art through collaborative relationships with others.