In this episode of the ASIAL Security Insider Podcast, we speak with Professor Martin Gill about what security might look like in a post COVID world. Professor Martin Gill ([email protected]) is a criminologist who has published extensively on security issues and pioneered the Outstanding Security Performance Awards (the OSPAs: www.theospas.com) and the Tackling Economic Crime Awards (the TECAs: www.thetecas.com). From his research work in prisons interviewing robbers, burglars, fraudsters and murderers, amongst others, he learnt that being prolific and successful at committing crime without being caught was dependent on security not being effective. This finding and the need to respond to it has driven his professional career.