Aspiring Martians

Most people imagine a straight line into the space industry.

Mason Robbins’ story is anything but.

After beginning his career in international relations and conflict studies, Mason worked with organizations including the United Nations, Real Madrid, FC Barcelona, and innovation hubs across Europe before eventually finding his way back to his childhood passion for space exploration.

Today, he serves as CEO of Star Helix, contributes to advanced spacesuit development programs, conducts human factors research, supports astronaut training initiatives, and has participated in analog astronaut missions across the globe.

In this conversation, Mason shares how curiosity led him from Oklahoma to the Arctic, Hawaii, Scotland, and beyond. We discuss the realities of life inside analog astronaut habitats, what hundreds of hours inside pressurized spacesuits have taught him about human performance, and why the future of Mars exploration depends on understanding people just as much as technology.

We also explore international cooperation in space, mental health in isolated environments, leadership under pressure, the importance of diverse backgrounds in future space crews, and why becoming an aspiring Martian isn’t limited to the people who actually travel to Mars.

Whether you’re interested in astronaut training, human factors engineering, analog missions, or simply hearing an inspiring story about following your curiosity wherever it leads, this episode offers a fascinating look at the human side of humanity’s future beyond Earth.

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A huge thank you to Mason for joining me today and sharing his time and perspective, to Nick Thorburn for the stellar theme music, to Ceci Giglio for the incredible graphics, to Jero Squartini for the amazing animations, to RDan, Leila, Inka, and Carl for admining the Facebook group, and to my family for supporting this project.

What does it take to pursue a dream that feels bigger than the world around you?

This week, Joe sits down with Hajar Azizi, a 20-year-old engineering student at École Centrale Casablanca and an active member of the Moroccan Association for Space Studies (MASS), to explore how curiosity, determination, and community can help turn seemingly impossible ambitions into tangible steps forward.

Hajar is part of a new generation of young Moroccans helping to build excitement around science, engineering, and space exploration. Most recently, she helped teach at AstroKids Space Camp, an initiative created by MASS to introduce children to astronomy, robotics, engineering, and the possibilities of a future among the stars. Through hands-on activities, teamwork challenges, and space-themed projects, the camp gave students a chance to see themselves not just as observers of science, but as future scientists, engineers, and explorers.

In this conversation, we talk about growing up in Morocco with big dreams of space, how curiosity can become a powerful driving force, the challenges and rewards of studying engineering, and why pursuing difficult goals often requires embracing uncertainty and failure along the way. Hajar shares her perspective on Morocco’s growing space community, the importance of creating opportunities for young people, and how organizations like MASS are helping build a culture of exploration and innovation throughout the country.

At its heart, this episode is about possibility. It’s about what can happen when someone refuses to let geography, age, or circumstance determine the size of their dreams. And it’s a reminder that the future of Mars won’t be built by a handful of people in a few countries...it will be built by passionate individuals all over the world who decide that humanity’s next great chapter is one worth helping write.

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A huge thank you to Hajar for joining me today and sharing her time and perspective, to Nick Thorburn for the stellar theme music, to Ceci Giglio for the incredible graphics, to Jero Squartini for the amazing animations, to RDan, Leila, Inka, and Carl for admining the Facebook group, and to my family for supporting this project.

What does it take to build a space community where one barely exists?

This week, I sit down with Ismail El Omari, a Moroccan space architect, analog astronaut, educator, and founder of the Moroccan Association for Space Studies (MASS).

From his childhood fascination with space to participating in analog astronaut missions and becoming one of Morocco’s leading space advocates, Ismail shares how he’s helping inspire a new generation of explorers across Morocco and Africa.

We discuss Morocco’s surprising history with space exploration, the country’s growing role in astronomy and satellite technology, the importance of space architecture, and why Ismail believes space exploration has the power to unite humanity in ways few other pursuits can.

We also dive into AstroKids Space Camp, what may be Morocco’s first dedicated space camp for children, where young students built rovers, learned about rockets and planets, worked together to solve challenges, and discovered that they too can be part of humanity’s future among the stars.

Whether you’re interested in architecture, education, analog missions, or inspiring the next generation of explorers, this is a conversation about how big dreams can grow into movements.

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A huge thank you to Ismail for joining me today and sharing his time, perspective, and passion for growing the space community in Morocco, to Nick Thorburn for the stellar theme music, to Ceci Giglio for the incredible graphics, to Jero Squartini for the amazing animations, to RDan, Leila, Inka, and Carl for admining the Facebook group, and to my family for supporting this project

For this month’s Inside the Habitat, we’re heading to the slopes of Mauna Loa in Hawaii to explore one of the most iconic analog habitats on Earth: HI-SEAS.

For more than a decade, HI-SEAS has helped researchers study what it takes to keep future astronauts healthy, productive, and sane during long-duration missions to Mars. Crews have spent months, and even an entire year, living in isolation inside a dome surrounded by a landscape so Mars-like that it has become one of the world’s premier testbeds for human space exploration.

Joining me is Dr. Kimberly Binsted, the principal investigator behind HI-SEAS. With a background spanning artificial intelligence, planetary science, human-computer interaction, and analog astronaut research, Kim has helped shape some of the most important studies ever conducted on life in isolated space habitats.

In this conversation, Kim shares how HI-SEAS grew from an ambitious idea into one of the world’s premier Mars analog programs, why Hawaii’s volcanic landscape is such a powerful stand-in for another planet, and what researchers have learned from more than a decade of simulated missions. We talk about the realities of living in isolation for months at a time, the surprising ways crews adapt to communication delays and confinement, and why some of the biggest lessons have come from everyday challenges rather than dramatic emergencies. Kim also reflects on the psychology of exploration, the importance of understanding human behavior before we send people to Mars, and how future upgrades to HI-SEAS will help prepare the next generation of explorers for missions to the Moon, Mars, and beyond.

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A huge thank you to Kim for joining me today and sharing her time and perspective, to Nick Thorburn for the stellar theme music, to Ceci Giglio for the incredible graphics, to Jero Squartini for the amazing animations, to RDan, Leila, Inka, and Carl for admining the Facebook group, and to my family for supporting this project.

This month’s special Everyday Mars episode heads into the alternate-history universe of For All Mankind with former NASA astronaut, SpaceX engineer, and series technical advisor Garrett Reisman.

If you somehow haven’t started the show yet… first of all, what are you doing? And second: fair warning, this conversation contains spoilers for Seasons 1 through 4. At this point though, you’ve had years to catch up, so that one’s on you.

We talked about how For All Mankind evolved from an alternate Apollo timeline into a story about a thriving Martian civilization, what the show gets surprisingly right about human spaceflight, how astronauts actually think about risk and isolation, why Mars settlement may end up looking less glamorous and more industrial than people imagine, how lunar missions set the stage for Mars, the psychological realities of becoming “Martian,” what Garrett learned from his own missions aboard the International Space Station, how his time at NASA and SpaceX shaped his view of humanity’s future in space, and why the hardest part of becoming multiplanetary may ultimately be learning how to live together.

We also discussed the real engineering challenges behind building cities on another world, how television can influence public enthusiasm for exploration, what happens when commercial industry collides with government space programs, the future of Artemis, whether Mars settlements may eventually develop their own culture and identity, and how close some of the technologies in the show actually are to becoming reality.

And for those already mourning the end of Season 5… the finale airs this Friday, and yes, one final season is still coming. But if you need even more For All Mankind immediately afterward, Apple TV is also launching the new spin-off series Star City this Friday, exploring the Soviet side of the alternate-history space race.

Links:

• Garrett Reisman - https://www.garrettreisman.com/
• Astronauts for America - https://www.astronautsforamerica.org/

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A huge thank you to Garrett for joining me today and sharing his time and perspective. And a special shoutout to Casey Johnson Tully at Ferencomm for coordinating everything behind the scenes to make this conversation happen. Also, quick reminder—this Friday is the Season 5 finale of For All Mankind, and the season premiere of Star City drops the same day with two episodes, followed by a new episode every Friday through July 10—so plenty to look forward to if you’re craving more space stories.

And of course, thank you to Nick Thorburn for the stellar theme music, Ceci Giglio for the incredible graphics, to Jero Squartini for the amazing animations, to RDan, Leila, Inka, and Carl for admining the Facebook group, and to my family for supporting this project—even when the space race becomes a regular topic at the dinner table.

For the 50th aspiring Martian feature, Joe sits down with Hanna Harutyunyan: robotics and mechatronics engineering student, researcher, and analog astronaut widely recognized as Armenia’s first analog astronaut.

Hanna has participated in analog missions at the Analog Astronaut Training Center in Poland and LunAres Research Station, supported the Austrian Space Forum’s AMADEE-24 Mars simulation in Armenia, and worked with the student run analog program Asclepios to help train future astronaut crews.

In this conversation, we discuss growing up in Armenia with dreams of space exploration, learning to navigate rejection and isolation, why kindness may be one of the most important astronaut skills, how stress affects human cognition inside analog habitats, and what it feels like to help represent an entirely new generation of aspiring space explorers from Armenia.

We also talk about EVA training, mental performance research, analog mission psychology, the future of Mars exploration, and why the future of space should belong to everyone.

And as Aspiring Martians celebrates 50 aspiring Martian stories, we’d love your feedback on where the show should go next. For the next 50 aspiring Martians, we want to hear from you:

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A huge thank you as well to Hanna for joining me today and sharing her story and time, and of course thank you to Nick Thorburn for the stellar theme music, Ceci Giglio for the incredible graphics, Jero Squartini for the amazing animations, to RDan, Leila, Inka, and Carl for admining the Facebook group, and to my family for supporting this project.

This week on Aspiring Martians, I’m joined by Arshleen Kaur Sahni, a space architect, researcher, analog astronaut trainee, and the founder of Arkasa.

As a child in India, Arshleen would spend hours staring at the Moon from her window, completely captivated by space. Years later, after discovering the field of space architecture almost by accident, she found a way to combine her love of space, human psychology, and design into a career focused on one enormous question:

How do we build places where humans can truly live beyond Earth?

Through Arkasa, Arshleen and her team are exploring lunar habitats, Mars analog stations, astronaut psychology, sustainable systems, biotechnology, and human-centered space design. Her work spans everything from hydroponic lunar living concepts to analog astronaut training systems designed to make space exploration more accessible and inclusive.

In this conversation, we talk about what space architecture actually is, why the future of Mars habitats may depend as much on psychology as engineering, how analog missions changed the way she thinks about comfort and isolation, why many early space habitats feel so sterile, the tension between survival and beauty in extreme environments, how culture and identity may shape future settlements beyond Earth, why collaboration across disciplines matters so much, how Arkasa is trying to make analog astronaut experiences more accessible to everyone, and why the future of living in space might depend on remembering what makes us human in the first place.

Find out more about Arkasa at their website www.arkasa.in

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A huge thank you to Arshleen for joining me today and sharing her story and perspective, and of course thank you to Nick Thorburn for the stellar theme music, Ceci Giglio for the incredible graphics, Jero Squartini for the amazing animations, to RDan, Leila, Inka, and Carl for admining the Facebook group, and to my family for supporting this project.

What does it actually take to simulate life on the Moon… inside a Swiss mountain?

In this month’s Inside the Habitat, we go deep into the Asclepios Project, a student-led analog mission program designed to prepare the next generation of astronauts, engineers, and scientists for the realities of space exploration.

Founded at EPFL, Asclepios brings together students from around the world to design, train for, and execute fully immersive lunar simulations in underground environments like the Sasso San Gottardo fortress in the Swiss Alps. These missions aren’t just about roleplay; they’re about real science, real pressure, and real collaboration under extreme conditions.

Joe is joined by Matthew Acevski, Ambre Bexter, and Joseph Hong, who share what it’s like to go from applicant to astronaut, how mission control operates behind the scenes, and what happens when you spend two weeks cut off from sunlight, normal routines, and, occasionally, basic privacy.

From survival training and psychological stress to cutting-edge experiments in robotics, life support, and human behavior, this episode offers a rare look at how we’re preparing for the future of living beyond Earth.

And if you’re inspired by what Asclepios is building, you can support their upcoming mission, Asclepios VI, and help bring the next generation of lunar explorers to life.

Asclepios VI GoFundMe: https://www.gofundme.com/f/donate-to-support-our-student-space-mission

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A huge thank you as well to Matthew, Ambre, and Joseph for joining me today and sharing their work on the Asclepius mission. And of course, thank you to Nick Thorburn for the stellar theme music, Ceci Giglio for the incredible graphics, Jero Squartini for the amazing animations, to RDan, Leila, Inka, and Carl for admining the Facebook group, and to my family for supporting this project.

What happens to the Overview Effect when Earth is no longer the center of your universe?

In this special Everyday Mars episode, Joe sits down with Frank White, the visionary behind The Overview Effect, to explore how one of the most profound psychological experiences in spaceflight might transform as humanity pushes toward Mars.

For decades, astronauts in low Earth orbit have described a powerful shift in perspective when looking back at our planet, one that dissolves borders, reshapes identity, and fosters a deep sense of connection. But what happens when that view changes? When Earth becomes smaller, more distant… eventually just a pale dot in the void?

Together, Joe and Frank unpack how the Overview Effect might evolve across deep space missions: from orbit, to the Moon, and all the way to Mars. They explore whether future astronauts could experience something entirely new on their journey and whether the first humans to set foot on Mars might feel a fundamentally different kind of perspective shift upon arrival.

Along the way, they dive into the origins of the Overview Effect, the role of perception and distance, how identity may shift for future Martians, and why this experience may be more than just emotional...it could shape the future of humanity itself.

And with today marking the final day to support the #SendFrankToSpace campaign, this conversation also carries a unique weight: the chance to send the man who defined this phenomenon into space to experience it firsthand. Learn more and donate: moondao.com/overview

Seeing Is Believing: The Overview Effect Illustrated - https://a.co/d/0gJnoRhr

American Revolution - https://a.co/d/0ePG5xXk

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A huge thank you as well to Frank White for joining me today and sharing his incredible perspective, and a special thank you to MoonDAO for putting together the #SendFrankToSpace campaign and for all the work they’ve done to make this possible. Today is the last day to contribute, so if you want to help Frank experience the Overview Effect for himself, you can head to moondao.com/overview to learn more and get involved. And of course, thank you to Nick Thorburn for the stellar theme music, Ceci Giglio for the incredible graphics, Jero Squartini for the amazing animations, to RDan, Leila, Inka, and Carl for admining the Facebook group, and to my family for supporting this project—even when conversations drift toward how seeing Earth might change everything.

From Mars simulations… to mission control.

This week on Aspiring Martians, Joe is joined by Cassandra Klos, a photographer, curator, and analog astronaut whose work lives at the intersection of art, science, and the future of human spaceflight.

Cassandra is the creator of Mars on Earth, a long-running project documenting space analog missions, those carefully designed simulations where humans rehearse life on Mars right here on Earth. But she doesn’t just photograph these missions...she lives them. From serving as crew journalist to commanding analog missions, she’s experienced firsthand what it means to simulate life on another world.

More recently, her work has taken her even closer to the real thing. As a photo correspondent covering Artemis II, she’s been behind the scenes at Johnson Space Center, documenting mission control as humanity prepares to return to deep space.

This episode is about what happens when you blur the line between simulation and reality… and why the stories we tell about space might shape the future just as much as the missions themselves.

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A huge thank you Cassandra for joining me today and sharing her story and perspective, to Nick Thorburn for the stellar theme music, to Ceci Giglio for the incredible graphics, to Jero Squartini for the amazing animations, to RDan, Leila, Inka, and Carl for admining the Facebook group, and to my family for supporting this project.