Dr Haare Williams is RNZ Alumni having worked as part of the Maori unit in the formative years of public broadcasting, this week he released the book 'Words of a Kaumatua' edited by Witi Ihimaera. The book is part biographical and features a collection of poetry written by Williams over the years. Te Ahi Kaa is at his home in Auckland to talk about the book and how an idyllic childhood at Ohiwa harbour shaped a career in education and broadcasting.