We are doing this work of undoing, which is not easy. It’s really having this courage to go into places that you actually don’t want to see. A lot of times we don’t want to see how we oppress others. We don’t want to see how we oppress ourselves. Gender wise, or it could be race, class, age — there are so many kinds of ways that we oppress in this world. And so to really look at how we do that is to really see clearly the pain that is real in our bodies. And that is the most difficult work we are doing because it is so physical. This practice is not intellectual practice, it is physical practice.