Australian Retirement Podcast

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  • REWIND: 5 behavioural money mistakes to avoid in retirement w/ Tahli Cavagnino

    We’re bringing back Owen Rask’s conversation with financial adviser Tahli Cavagnino about five money mistakes that can follow us into retirement. A plan might look sound on a spreadsheet, but how do fear, uncertainty and old habits affect the decisions we actually make?

    If you missed this conversation the first time, it’s a practical reminder that retirement decisions are about behaviour as well as numbers. This is a replay of an earlier recording; any references to current market conditions reflect that original conversation.


    Episode resources

    – Ask a question (select the Retirement podcast)


    Show partner resources

    – Join Pearler using the code "RASKSWITCH" and get $32 of Pearler Credit

    – Whatever comes next for your business, power it with Stripe


    Rask resources

    – All services

    – Financial Planning

    – Invest with us

    – Access Show Notes

    – Ask a question

    – We love feedback!


    Follow us on social media

    – Instagram: @rask.invest

    – TikTok: @rask.invest


    Disclaimer

    The information in this episode is provided by The Rask Group Pty Ltd and contains general financial product advice only. It does not take into account your objectives, financial situation or needs.

    Before acting, consider whether the information is appropriate for you and consider seeking personal advice from a licensed financial adviser. You can read our Financial Services Guide at www.rask.com.au/fsg. If a financial product is mentioned, consider the relevant PDS and TMD, where applicable, before making any financial decision.

    Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. Returns are not guaranteed and capital may be at risk.

    The Rask Group Pty Ltd is a Corporate Authorised Representative No. 1280930 of Rask Licensing Pty Ltd, AFSL 563 907.

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    41 min
  • Five steps to prepare for retirement: a couple’s 2027 case study

    Could you retire next year with a mortgage, an investment property and two different super balances? In this Australian Retirement Podcast episode, Owen Rask and financial adviser Tahli Cavagnino work through a hypothetical couple’s plan, showing why retirement is less about one magic number and more about the order of decisions.

    David and Michelle hope to stop work in June 2027. Their home still has a mortgage; they also hold super, shares, savings, an investment property with a loan, and cash in David’s company. Tahli begins not with an investment product, but with the question that shapes every other step: what will they actually need to spend? She separates regular bills, discretionary spending and one-off costs so the couple can see what their money has to do.

    Next comes replacing the pay cheque. Owen and Tahli compare the income the couple’s assets may produce with the costs of holding them, including the property’s loan. They then consider which pool of money might meet each goal: clearing the home mortgage, selling the investment property, drawing from shares or super, and planning the company’s cash withdrawals with an accountant. Timing and tax need individual advice, not guesswork.

    Tahli’s final steps are to protect money needed soon while keeping longer-term funds invested, and to plan for both partners rather than treating their super balances and ages as interchangeable. Owen adds a practical sixth step: get every asset, debt and super account onto one page. If retirement is on your horizon, this case study offers a clear starting point for better questions—not a personalised financial plan.


    Episode resources

    – Ask a question (select the Retirement podcast)


    Show partner resources

    – Join Pearler using the code "RASKSWITCH" and get $32 of Pearler Credit

    – Whatever comes next for your business, power it with Stripe


    Rask resources

    – All services

    – Financial Planning

    – Invest with us

    – Access Show Notes

    – Ask a question

    – We love feedback!


    Follow us on social media

    – Instagram: @rask.invest

    – TikTok: @rask.invest


    Disclaimer

    The information in this episode is provided by The Rask Group Pty Ltd and contains general financial product advice only. It does not take into account your objectives, financial situation or needs.

    Before acting, consider whether the information is appropriate for you and consider seeking personal advice from a licensed financial adviser. You can read our Financial Services Guide at www.rask.com.au/fsg. If a financial product is mentioned, consider the relevant PDS and TMD, where applicable, before making any financial decision.

    Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. Returns are not guaranteed and capital may be at risk.

    The Rask Group Pty Ltd is a Corporate Authorised Representative No. 1280930 of Rask Licensing Pty Ltd, AFSL 563 907.

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    28 min
  • The three-bucket retirement strategy: spend, reserve and grow

    What happens if you retire and the share market falls just as you start drawing on your savings? On the Australian Retirement Podcast, Owen Rask and Tahli Cavagnino unpack the three-bucket retirement strategy: a way to think about spending now, keeping a reserve and investing for a longer retirement.

    They begin with the shift from earning a salary to relying on a portfolio. Tahli explains sequencing risk: selling investments to meet living costs during a market downturn can make a recovery harder. The first bucket covers near-term spending needs, often with a cash buffer. But holding too much in cash can bring its own risks, including inflation and missed long-term growth.

    The second bucket is the defensive reserve, where bonds and other income-focused assets may help support the cash bucket. The third is for longer-term growth, commonly including shares. Owen and Tahli work through a hypothetical couple’s retirement spending to show how the buckets interact, when they might be topped up and why a poor market year requires a different response from a strong one.

    This is not a set-and-forget formula. The hosts discuss how to review and rebalance, what happens if bonds and shares fall together, and the trade-offs for people managing their own super. They also explain why a bucket strategy may be possible within an industry fund without opening multiple accounts, although the options and effort required vary.

    If you are approaching retirement or already drawing an income, this conversation offers a clearer framework for the questions to take to your super fund or financial adviser — and a reminder that peace of mind matters alongside the numbers.


    Episode resources

    – ⁠Accounts Leaderboard: Compare the latest Australian savings account interest rates⁠

    – ⁠Ask a question (select the Retirement podcast)⁠


    Show partner resources

    – ⁠Join Pearler using the code "RASKSWITCH" and get $32 of Pearler Credit⁠

    – ⁠Whatever comes next for your business, power it with Stripe⁠


    Rask resources

    – ⁠All services⁠

    – ⁠Financial Planning⁠

    – ⁠Invest with us⁠

    – ⁠Access Show Notes⁠

    – ⁠Ask a question⁠

    – ⁠We love feedback!⁠


    Follow us on social media

    – Instagram: ⁠@rask.invest⁠

    – TikTok: ⁠@rask.invest⁠


    Disclaimer

    The information in this episode is provided by The Rask Group Pty Ltd and contains general financial product advice only. It does not take into account your objectives, financial situation or needs.

    Before acting, consider whether the information is appropriate for you and consider seeking personal advice from a licensed financial adviser. You can read our Financial Services Guide at ⁠www.rask.com.au/fsg⁠. If a financial product is mentioned, consider the relevant PDS and TMD, where applicable, before making any financial decision.

    Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. Returns are not guaranteed and capital may be at risk.

    The Rask Group Pty Ltd is a Corporate Authorised Representative No. 1280930 of Rask Licensing Pty Ltd, AFSL 563 907.

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    51 min
  • Will property prices recover in 2027? Chris Bates on the next move

    Will Australian property prices recover in 2027—or is another round of rate pressure still ahead? In this Australian Retirement Podcast episode, Owen Rask sits down with Chris Bates, mortgage broker and co-host of the Australian Property Podcast, to explore how the housing cycle affects retirees, parents helping adult children and first-home buyers.

    Chris explains why any rebound depends heavily on interest rates and why a national headline can hide very different conditions in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide. They discuss fewer quality listings, housing supply bottlenecks and why buyers can lose negotiating power before reported prices show a turn.

    For parents and grandparents, the question is bigger than timing the market. They unpack the ‘bank of mum and dad’: gifting versus lending a deposit, what happens if a relationship breaks down, and why helping someone buy the wrong property could create new risks. They also examine the 5% deposit scheme without assuming a smaller deposit makes every home a good purchase.

    If retirement is approaching, Owen and Chris consider whether to keep an investment property, support family now, improve a home-loan buffer or talk to a specialist about broader options. Quality, cash flow and the structure of any family assistance matter as much as a price forecast.

    Listen for a practical conversation about preparing for uncertain rates, spotting the property decisions within your control and asking better questions before making a move.


    Episode resources

    – Ask a question (select the Retirement podcast)


    Show partner resources

    – Join Pearler using the code "RASKSWITCH" and get $32 of Pearler Credit

    – Whatever comes next for your business, power it with Stripe


    Rask resources

    – All services

    – Financial Planning

    – Invest with us

    – Access Show Notes

    – Ask a question

    – We love feedback!


    Follow us on social media

    – Instagram: @rask.invest

    – TikTok: @rask.invest


    Disclaimer

    The information in this episode is provided by The Rask Group Pty Ltd and contains general financial product advice only. It does not take into account your objectives, financial situation or needs.

    Before acting, consider whether the information is appropriate for you and consider seeking personal advice from a licensed financial adviser. You can read our Financial Services Guide at www.rask.com.au/fsg. If a financial product is mentioned, consider the relevant PDS and TMD, where applicable, before making any financial decision.

    Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. Returns are not guaranteed and capital may be at risk.

    The Rask Group Pty Ltd is a Corporate Authorised Representative No. 1280930 of Rask Licensing Pty Ltd, AFSL 563 907.

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    39 min
  • 7 retirement mistakes that can derail your plans

    Are you leaving retirement to chance—or letting an assumption quietly shape a decision you may regret? In this episode of the Australian Retirement Podcast, Owen Rask and financial adviser Tahli Cavagnino turn seven common retirement mistakes into practical questions you can ask today.

    They begin with planning too late: why waiting until 60 can leave less time to adjust your savings, super and spending expectations. From there, they question the idea that property will always deliver the same growth and income, especially if too much wealth is tied up in one asset.

    Owen and Tahli look at the risks of carrying debt into retirement without a repayment strategy, reacting too quickly to tax headlines, and counting on shares to deliver a fixed return every year. They explain why understanding trade-offs and diversifying across assets matters more than predicting exactly what markets or policy will do next.

    They also tackle the quieter mistake of doing nothing because the choices feel overwhelming. A smaller first step—checking your super, reviewing debt or mapping a retirement budget—can be more useful than waiting for a perfect plan.

    Finally, they explore why retirement costs are rarely a straight line: travel, health and aged care can arrive at different times. Planning for later-life expenses matters, but so does giving yourself permission to enjoy the years you have now. Listen for a calmer, more flexible way to prepare for retirement without letting fear make every decision.


    Episode resources

    – ⁠⁠ASFA Comfortable Retirement Standards⁠

    – ⁠Rask Wealth Checker

    – ⁠Ask a question (select the Retirement podcast)⁠


    Show partner resources

    – Join Pearler using the code "RASKSWITCH" and get $32 of Pearler Credit

    – Whatever comes next for your business, power it with Stripe


    Rask resources

    – All services

    – Financial Planning

    – Invest with us

    – Access Show Notes

    – Ask a question

    – We love feedback!


    Follow us on social media

    – Instagram: @rask.invest

    – TikTok: @rask.invest


    Disclaimer

    The information in this episode is provided by The Rask Group Pty Ltd and contains general financial product advice only. It does not take into account your objectives, financial situation or needs.

    Before acting, consider whether the information is appropriate for you and consider seeking personal advice from a licensed financial adviser. You can read our Financial Services Guide at www.rask.com.au/fsg. If a financial product is mentioned, consider the relevant PDS and TMD, where applicable, before making any financial decision.

    Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. Returns are not guaranteed and capital may be at risk.

    The Rask Group Pty Ltd is a Corporate Authorised Representative No. 1280930 of Rask Licensing Pty Ltd, AFSL 563 907.

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    55 min
  • Bonds are back: how to build reliable retirement income w/ PIMCO's Kanish Chugh

    In this episode of the Australian Retirement Podcast, Owen Rask sits down with Kanish Chugh from PIMCO to explain why bonds are back — and how retirees can build income without asking one asset to do every job.

    After a decade in which low interest rates pushed many Australians towards shares and property, fixed income is offering a more meaningful source of income again. Owen and Kanish compare bonds with term deposits, franked dividends and hybrids, then unpack how government and corporate bonds can contribute income, liquidity, diversification and capital stability.

    They also revisit the classic 60/40 portfolio. What happens when the “forgotten 40%” starts working again? And why do professional investors often prefer active management in bonds even when they use index funds for shares?

    The conversation covers the risks that matter most in retirement: inflation and purchasing power, sequencing withdrawals during market falls, concentration in property or equities, liquidity, and the possibility that retirement lasts 20 to 30 years. Kanish also explains why each part of a portfolio should have one clear job, with a growth engine and a separate income engine.

    If you’re approaching retirement, already drawing an income, or reviewing whether your portfolio is genuinely retirement-ready, this episode offers a practical framework for balancing reliable income, long-term growth and risk.


    Episode resources

    – Ask a question (select the Retirement podcast)


    Show partner resources

    – Join Pearler using the code "RASKSWITCH" and get $32 of Pearler Credit

    – Whatever comes next for your business, power it with Stripe


    Rask resources

    – All services

    – Financial Planning

    – Invest with us

    – Access Show Notes

    – Ask a question

    – We love feedback!


    Follow us on social media

    – Instagram: @rask.invest

    – TikTok: @rask.invest


    Disclaimer

    The information in this episode is provided by The Rask Group Pty Ltd and contains general financial product advice only. It does not take into account your objectives, financial situation or needs.

    Before acting, consider whether the information is appropriate for you and consider seeking personal advice from a licensed financial adviser. You can read our Financial Services Guide at www.rask.com.au/fsg. If a financial product is mentioned, consider the relevant PDS and TMD, where applicable, before making any financial decision.

    Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. Returns are not guaranteed and capital may be at risk.

    The Rask Group Pty Ltd is a Corporate Authorised Representative No. 1280930 of Rask Licensing Pty Ltd, AFSL 563 907.

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    1 hr 1 min
  • What happens to Super when you retire?

    What actually happens to your super when you retire?

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    It sounds like there should be a giant red button that says “retirement mode” — but, as usual with super, it’s a little more paperwork-y than that.


    In this episode of The Australian Finance Podcast, also shared on The Australian Retirement Podcast, Owen is joined by Tahli Cavagnino, Senior Financial Adviser and co-head of financial advice at Rask Advice, to unpack what happens to your super as you move towards retirement.


    General advice warning: This episode contains general information and general advice only. Please consider your own circumstances and seek professional advice before making financial decisions.


    We cover when you can generally access your super, what “pension mode” actually means, how super can be taxed before and after retirement, and some of the big trade-offs people face as they approach retirement.


    Plus, we answer listener questions on indexed versus active high growth super options, whether people typically change funds when moving into pension phase, and whether you still need an emergency fund once you can access your super.


    In this episode

    – Owen’s news of the week: why you shouldn’t rush changing super funds

    – The importance of reading the PDS/TMD and checking the AFSL before acting

    – When Australians can generally access their super

    – What it means to turn your super into “pension mode”

    – Is it a button, a form, a phone call — or all of the above?

    – A simple overview of tax on super before and after retirement

    – Why defined benefit funds can be different

    – Minimum pension drawdown rates explained

    – Do most people withdraw only the minimum from super?

    – The retirement mortgage question: super versus debt

    – Super versus investing outside super if you want to retire before 60

    – Indexed high growth versus active high growth super options

    – Whether different super funds suit different life stages

    – Whether you still need an emergency fund once super is accessible


    Listener questions

    – Hot Takes: “For a long-term investor choosing a high growth option inside super, what should they think about when comparing indexed high growth and active high growth managed by the super fund?”

    – Barren Jo:

    “You’ve mentioned that different style super funds may suit people at different stages. Can you explain this more? Do people typically change super funds when switching to pension mode, and if so, why?”

    – WannabeWhale:

    “Is an emergency fund necessary when you have access to your super?”


    Episode resources

    – ⁠Rask Retirement Academy⁠

    – ⁠Free report: 5 ways business owners can get back 5 hours a week using AI⁠

    – ⁠Join the free Rask newsletter and platform⁠

    – Ask a question (select the Retirement podcast)


    Want to keep learning?

    If you’re trying to get your money sorted — without needing a finance degree and three coffees — ⁠⁠join the free Rask newsletter and platform⁠⁠
    You’ll get practical money lessons, investing explainers, retirement resources and tools to help you make better financial decisions over time.


    Show partner resources

    – Join Pearler using the code "RASKSWITCH" and get $32 of Pearler Credit

    – Whatever comes next for your business, power it with Stripe


    Rask resources

    – All services

    – Financial Planning

    – Invest with us

    – Access Show Notes

    – Ask a question

    – We love feedback!


    Follow us on social media

    – Instagram: @rask.invest

    – TikTok: @rask.invest


    Disclaimer

    The information in this episode is provided by The Rask Group Pty Ltd and contains general financial product advice only. It does not take into account your objectives, financial situation or needs.

    Before acting, consider whether the information is appropriate for you and consider seeking personal advice from a licensed financial adviser. You can read our Financial Services Guide at www.rask.com.au/fsg. If a financial product is mentioned, consider the relevant PDS and TMD, where applicable, before making any financial decision.

    Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. Returns are not guaranteed and capital may be at risk.

    The Rask Group Pty Ltd is a Corporate Authorised Representative No. 1280930 of Rask Licensing Pty Ltd, AFSL 563 907.

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    1 hr 4 min
  • Is your balanced super fund taking more risk than you think?

    In this Australian Retirement Podcast episode, Drew Meredith and James O’Reilly unpack four retirement issues that could affect how Australians access the Age Pension, choose a super fund and manage investment risk.

    First, they examine a proposal for better data sharing between Centrelink and super funds. Easier, pre-filled Age Pension applications could help eligible retirees claim sooner, but giving funds a broader picture of your finances also raises questions about privacy, product sales and who benefits from the data.

    They also discuss whether people in physically demanding careers—such as nurses, tradies and other manual workers—should qualify for the Age Pension before age 67. The idea may sound fair, but the hosts explore the cost, complexity and unintended incentives that could follow.

    Next, Drew and James look at renewed scrutiny of self-managed super funds. SMSFs can offer control and flexibility, yet lower balances, aggressive sales tactics and unsuitable investments can leave members carrying more cost and responsibility than they expected.

    Finally, a listener asks why a “balanced” super option can still hold 81% in growth assets. The hosts explain how labels differ between funds, what growth and defensive assets actually mean, and the long-term return ranges investors might expect as risk rises. It is a practical reminder that a fund’s name matters far less than what is inside it.


    Episode resources

    – Ask a question (select the Retirement podcast)


    Show partner resources

    – Join Pearler using the code "RASKSWITCH" and get $32 of Pearler Credit

    – Whatever comes next for your business, power it with Stripe


    Rask resources

    – All services

    – Financial Planning

    – Invest with us

    – Access Show Notes

    – Ask a question

    – We love feedback!


    Follow us on social media

    – Instagram: @rask.invest

    – TikTok: @rask.invest


    Disclaimer

    The information in this episode is provided by The Rask Group Pty Ltd and contains general financial product advice only. It does not take into account your objectives, financial situation or needs.

    Before acting, consider whether the information is appropriate for you and consider seeking personal advice from a licensed financial adviser. You can read our Financial Services Guide at www.rask.com.au/fsg. If a financial product is mentioned, consider the relevant PDS and TMD, where applicable, before making any financial decision.

    Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. Returns are not guaranteed and capital may be at risk.

    The Rask Group Pty Ltd is a Corporate Authorised Representative No. 1280930 of Rask Licensing Pty Ltd, AFSL 563 907.

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    32 min
  • DBFO explained: what the new advice rules mean for retirees

    In this episode of Australian Retirement Podcast, Drew Meredith and James O'Reilly unpack the latest Delivering Better Financial Outcomes, or DBFO, changes and why retirees should care. This episode looks past the political acronym to the real decisions facing Australians who want affordable advice, better super prompts and fewer traps as they move into retirement.

    Drew and James explain how the reforms could reshape the way advisers charge fees, renew ongoing service agreements and communicate with clients. They also trace how the reforms have evolved since the Hayne Royal Commission and why progress has felt painfully slow.

    The conversation then turns to why nudges from super funds and providers matter more than most people think, especially for people who may be eligible for the Age Pension or who have not yet switched super into pension phase when it would make sense to investigate it.

    They also tackle the darker side of the system: cold-calling lead generation, poor incentives and the practical risks around self-managed super funds. To finish, they answer a listener question on whether paying for a platform inside an SMSF is worth it, or whether staying DIY can still be the better move.

    If you want a calm, practical read on the latest advice reforms, this episode is a smart place to start.

    Episode resources

    – Ask a question (select the Retirement podcast)


    Show partner resources

    – Visit TermPlus to learn more

    – Join Pearler using the code "RASKSWITCH" and get $32 of Pearler Credit

    – Whatever comes next for your business, power it with Stripe


    Rask resources

    – All services

    – Financial Planning

    – Invest with us

    – Access Show Notes

    – Ask a question

    – We love feedback!


    Follow us on social media

    – Instagram: @rask.invest

    – TikTok: @rask.invest


    DISCLAIMER: This podcast contains general financial information only. That means the information does not take into account your objectives, financial situation, or needs. Because of that, you should consider if the information is appropriate to you and your needs, before acting on it. If you’re confused about what that means or what your needs are, you should always consult a licensed and trusted financial planner. Unfortunately, we cannot guarantee the accuracy of the information in this podcast, including any financial, taxation, and/or legal information. Remember, past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. The Rask Group is NOT a qualified tax accountant, financial (tax) adviser, or financial adviser. Access The Rask Group's Financial Services Guide (FSG): https://www.rask.com.au/fsg

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    45 min
  • Retirement confidence is falling. What now for property, CGT and inheritance?

    In this episode of Australian Retirement Podcast, Drew Meredith and James O'Reilly begin with a stat that cuts through the noise: retirement confidence has fallen sharply, even after a strong year for investment markets. They unpack why rising living costs still dominate how pre-retirees feel, why good returns do not always create peace of mind, and why confidence is as much an emotional question as a financial one. They also discuss the surprising gap between seeing an adviser and actually feeling ready for retirement.

    From there, the conversation turns to property. Drew and James explore whether the old playbook of leveraging into investment properties still holds up for people approaching retirement, especially as negative gearing, capital gains tax settings and holding costs come under more pressure. Rather than making a dramatic crash call, they focus on the practical trade-offs between income, flexibility, debt, and the opportunity cost of keeping too much wealth tied to one asset class when other income options are improving.

    The episode finishes with a practical listener question on inherited shares, cost bases and how age pension status can change the tax outcome. If you are weighing up retirement timing, asset sales, or how policy shifts could affect your long-term plan, this episode offers a grounded framework for the questions worth asking next.

    Episode resources

    – Ask a question (select the Retirement podcast)


    Show partner resources

    – Visit TermPlus to learn more

    – Join Pearler using the code "RASKSWITCH" and get $32 of Pearler Credit

    – Whatever comes next for your business, power it with Stripe


    Rask resources

    – All services

    – Financial Planning

    – Invest with us

    – Access Show Notes

    – Ask a question

    – We love feedback!


    Follow us on social media

    – Instagram: @rask.invest

    – TikTok: @rask.invest


    DISCLAIMER: This podcast contains general financial information only. That means the information does not take into account your objectives, financial situation, or needs. Because of that, you should consider if the information is appropriate to you and your needs, before acting on it. If you’re confused about what that means or what your needs are, you should always consult a licensed and trusted financial planner. Unfortunately, we cannot guarantee the accuracy of the information in this podcast, including any financial, taxation, and/or legal information. Remember, past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. The Rask Group is NOT a qualified tax accountant, financial (tax) adviser, or financial adviser. Access The Rask Group's Financial Services Guide (FSG): https://www.rask.com.au/fsg

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    30 min

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The Australian Retirement Podcast by Rask is your field guide to retirement. If you're 45 and up, planning for retirement, transitioning now, or already there, we cover all of the topics you want and need to know: Super, tax, investments, legacy, work, behavioural psychology and maybe even a few travel tips. 

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