The country's two largest states, NSW and Victoria, now have clear roadmaps out of the pandemic and towards a future where we live with COVID-19.

Those pathways, as well as the national plan, are heavily influenced by modelling conducted by the Doherty Institute, which estimates case numbers, hospitalisations and deaths as the country reopens.

But the Doherty Institute isn’t the only organisation modelling our future. There are other, highly influential, bodies projecting their own numbers that contradict the national plan.

Today, senior reporter for The Saturday Paper Rick Morton on the models deciding our future and who we should trust. 

Guest: Senior Reporter for The Saturday Paper, Rick Morton.

Background reading: Covid figures: Splits emerge in government health models in The Saturday Paper

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