Avery and Tamar discuss control and lack thereof when it comes to motherhood, and how her love of spreadsheets helped her but also hindered her as a new mom. At the end, hear Avery's story she shared with a live audience on May 4th, 2025.

Avery's bio: Avery lives in Los Angeles where she is a Policy Director for the Los Angeles Unified School District. She has worked in the field of education for 15 years and is herself a forever learner having earned two master’s degrees (MPP & MA in Special Education) and a doctorate (EdD). Avery most enjoys spending quality time with her husband, David, and her two children, Henry (almost 4) and Maya (2). As a family, they love rooting for the Dodgers and listening to live music.

Opening music by TV Girl: https://freemusicarchive.org/music/TV_Girl/Our_First_2_EPs/TV_Girl_-_Our_First_2_EPs_-_06_Lizzy_Come_Back_to_Life/