Chuck Wood II and I talk about the two main traps we can fall into, thinking we’re being productive for the Kingdom.

Quotes:

In modern knowledge work, and it can also be true in ministry, there's a lot of things that we don't actually have an accurate, real measurement of how they might contribute to the bottom line.

I think a lot of our results are measured by obedience versus outcome. Did I spend time with Jesus in the Word and prayer? Did I share the gospel? Did I practice my gift? Those kind of things, those are obedience-based versus results-based.

Season 9: On Pioneering/How to Stick, Episode 10

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