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  • Forget Failure, It’s All an Experiment - Vlada Bortnik on How Marco Polo Approaches Big Choices

    Marco Polo CEO, Vlada Borthnik, almost said no to being on our podcast. It wasn’t that she wasn’t a fan of AnitaB.org or didn’t believe in its mission, it was that we’d asked her to talk about failure… and Vlada almost totally rejects the notion of “failure” on principle.


    Instead, Vlada advocates for throwing away the binary lens of “success” and “failure” and instead to reframe things as experiments and their outcomes.  Because even when the outcome isn’t what you’d hoped for, you can still learn from it. And maybe that learning will set you up for a different outcome next time. Fortunately for us, Vlada came around.


    In this episode, she talks to Brenda about why she feels so strongly that it's time for us all to stop fearing failure and embrace the idea it’s all about experimentation and learning from outcomes - whether they’re good or bad. Vlada also shares how the challenges of coming to the US as a refuge when she was 11 set her up for her future as an entrepreneur, why you should worry less about communication at work being messy, and focus instead on making sure you have systems in place to clean those messes up, and how Marco Polo’s culture of constant experimentation has led to its success. Plus, Brenda’s top three takeaways from the conversion.


    For more, check out Vlada...

    On LinkedIn - /in/vlada/

    On Facebook - /onmarcopolo

    On Instagram - @marcopoloapp


    And if you're curious about Marco Polo, you can download the app for iOS or Android.


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    At our heart, AnitaB.org is a connector: we connect women in tech to the organizations, opportunities, and tools they need to advance, thrive, and transform the future of technology. We convene transformative events, lead essential discussions, produce groundbreaking research and white papers, and support the tech ecosystem to shape the future for women in tech. 


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    Connect with AnitaB.org

    Instagram - @anitab_org

    Facebook - /anitab.0rg

    LinkedIn - /anitab-org

    On the web - anitab.org 


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    Our guests contribute to this podcast in their personal capacity. The views expressed in this interview are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Anita Borg Institute for Women and Technology or its employees (“AnitaB.org”). AnitaB.org is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of the information provided in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. This podcast series does not constitute legal or other professional advice or services.


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    B The Way Forward Is…

    Hosted and Executive Produced by Brenda Darden Wilkerson.

    Produced by Avi Glijansky

    Associate Produced by Kelli Kyle

    Sound design and editing by Ryan Hammond 

    Mixing and mastering by Julian Kwasneski 

    Additional Producing help from Faith Krogulecki

    Operations Coordination for AnitaB.org by Quinton Sprull.

    Creative Director for AnitaB.org is Deandra Coleman

    Executive Produced by Dominique Ferrari, Stacey Book, and Avi Glijansky for Frequency Machine 


    For more ways to be the way forward, visit AnitaB.org

    39 min
  • When Your Dream Job Becomes a Nightmare - What April Christina Curley Learned From Being Let Go

    In 2014, former teacher turned recruiter, April Christina Curley, got offered her dream job - a major tech company asked her to come on board specifically to create a talent pipeline for overlooked tech talent at historically black colleges and universities. Without hesitation, April said yes, packed up her things, and moved from Baltimore to NY. At first, things were great - the program April helped create was a success. She was driving real change and making a real difference.


    But it didn’t last. Despite its good intentions, April saw policies and practices within the company itself that were rooted in historic biases.  And when she spoke out, she was increasingly chastised by management for being “angry, insubordinate, uncooperative, unwelcoming” and more. This despite the fact that her work was objectively successful and her peers had no problem with her. By 2020 April’s dream job had become a nightmare.  And then, just like that, she was let go.


    In this episode, April opens up to Brenda about what it’s like when you speak truth to power at the office and months later find yourself out of a job. You’ll also find out how to pick yourself back up after you’ve lost what was supposed to be the perfect opportunity.


    For more on April and her work check out...


    LinkedIn - /aprilchristinacurley

    Bluesky - @realabril.bsky.social


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    At our heart, AnitaB.org is a connector: we connect women in tech to the organizations, opportunities, and tools they need to advance, thrive, and transform the future of technology. We convene transformative events, lead essential discussions, produce groundbreaking research and white papers, and support the tech ecosystem to shape the future for women in tech. 


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    Connect with AnitaB.org

    Instagram - @anitab_org

    Facebook - /anitab.0rg

    LinkedIn - /anitab-org

    On the web - anitab.org 


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    Our guests contribute to this podcast in their personal capacity. The views expressed in this interview are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Anita Borg Institute for Women and Technology or its employees (“AnitaB.org”). AnitaB.org is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of the information provided in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. This podcast series does not constitute legal or other professional advice or services.


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    B The Way Forward Is…

    Hosted and Executive Produced by Brenda Darden Wilkerson.

    Produced by Avi Glijansky

    Associate Produced by Kelli Kyle

    Sound design and editing by Ryan Hammond 

    Mixing and mastering by Julian Kwasneski 

    Additional Producing help from Faith Krogulecki

    Operations Coordination for AnitaB.org by Quinton Sprull.

    Creative Director for AnitaB.org is Deandra Coleman

    Executive Produced by Dominique Ferrari, Stacey Book, and Avi Glijansky for Frequency Machine 


    For more ways to be the way forward, visit AnitaB.org

    42 min
  • Seeing Things Through (Even When You Think You Failed) with Karen Catlin, Author of the Better Allies® Book Series

    The second half of season 2 is all about the view from the bottom: what does it feel like to fail, and more importantly, how do you come back from it? We’re creating a safe space for women tech leaders to talk about the worst day of their career — a project gone wrong, a lay-off that came out of nowhere, a startup that shutdown — and how they got through it. Because we never learned anything from the days it all went right. 


    To kick off this series, Better Allies® series Author and former Adobe VP of Engineering, Karen Catlin joins Brenda to talk about a rocky transition she made from the corporate world to self-employment. Karen had a reality check when she left her cushy VP job at Adobe to start her own coaching company for women in tech. After making only $17,000 her first year (a far cry from her goal of $10K per month), she was embarrassed, and ready to call it quits. But with some encouragement from her husband and mentors, she saw it through, and has since become an accomplished author, speaker and coach on creating inclusive workspaces. 


    You’ll learn how to see things through even when you feel like you failed, the power of a good ‘mentor walk,’ and how naivete can sometimes be a blessing in disguise when taking a big risk.


    For more, check out Karen and her work...


    On LinkedIn - /kecatlin

    On Bluesky - @betterallies.bsky.social

    On Instagram - @BetterAllies

    On Threads - @BetterAllies

    On YouTube - Better Allies

    On the Web - www.karencatlin.com & www.betterallies.com


    And subscriber to the 5 Ally Actions Newsletter!


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    At our heart, AnitaB.org is a connector: we connect women in tech to the organizations, opportunities, and tools they need to advance, thrive, and transform the future of technology. We convene transformative events, lead essential discussions, produce groundbreaking research and white papers, and support the tech ecosystem to shape the future for women in tech. 


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    Connect with AnitaB.org

    Instagram - @anitab_org

    Facebook - /anitab.0rg

    LinkedIn - /anitab-org

    On the web - anitab.org 


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    Our guests contribute to this podcast in their personal capacity. The views expressed in this interview are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Anita Borg Institute for Women and Technology or its employees (“AnitaB.org”). AnitaB.org is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of the information provided in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. This podcast series does not constitute legal or other professional advice or services.


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    B The Way Forward Is…


    Hosted and Executive Produced by Brenda Darden Wilkerson.


    Produced by Avi Glijansky


    Associate Produced by Kelli Kyle


    Sound design and editing by Ryan Hammond 


    Mixing and mastering by Julian Kwasneski 


    Additional Producing help from Faith Krogulecki


    Operations Coordination for AnitaB.org by Quinton Sprull.


    Creative Director for AnitaB.org is Deandra Coleman


    Executive Produced by Dominique Ferrari, Stacey Book, and Avi Glijansky for Frequency Machine 


    Podcast Marketing from Lauren Passell with Tink Media in partnership with Coley Bouschet at AnitaB.org


    Photo of Brenda Darden Wilkerson by Mandisa Media Productions


    For more ways to be the way forward, visit AnitaB.org 

    35 min
  • The Secret Origin of AnitaB.org - Telle Whitney on Friendship with Anita Borg and Founding AnitaB.org

    Welcome to B The Way Forward Interludes - a series of conversations that don’t necessarily fit in our regular season, but are just too good to not share. This week, a very special episode for Women’s History Month. 


    Telle Whitney was already a trailblazing woman in the field of semiconductors when she moved to  Silicon Valley in the 1980s. Anita Borg had already made a name for herself in systems. The two met at a party and became fast friends. Among all the things they bonded over was, of course, their shared experiences as women in tech. And the ways they both tried to deal with the glaring disparity between men and women in the industry.


    But Anita and Telle weren’t content to just commiserate. They were determined to do something about it. Out of that determination and that friendship, Grace Hopper Celebration and the Institute for Women and Technology - which became AnitaB.org - were born. Anita Borg and Tell Whitney saw a need and decided  to do something about it - and the tech space would never be the same. 


    Telle - Co-Founder of AnitaB.org and Brenda’s predecessor as President and CEO - pulls back the curtain on the early days of AnitaB.org, the secret origin of Anita’s pioneering networking group Systers, and what it was like at the very first GHC in 1994. Plus, Telle helps us get to know who Anita Borg was in the ways only a close friend can.


    For from of Telle and her work check her out...


    On LinkedIn - /telle-whitney

    On X - @TelleWhitney


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    At our heart, AnitaB.org is a connector: we connect women in tech to the organizations, opportunities, and tools they need to advance, thrive, and transform the future of technology. We convene transformative events, lead essential discussions, produce groundbreaking research and white papers, and support the tech ecosystem to shape the future for women in tech. 


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    Connect with AnitaB.org

    Instagram - @anitab_org

    Facebook - /anitab.0rg

    LinkedIn - /anitab-org

    On the web - anitab.org 


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    Our guests contribute to this podcast in their personal capacity. The views expressed in this interview are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Anita Borg Institute for Women and Technology or its employees (“AnitaB.org”). AnitaB.org is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of the information provided in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. This podcast series does not constitute legal or other professional advice or services.


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    B The Way Forward Is…


    Hosted and Executive Produced by Brenda Darden Wilkerson.


    Produced by Avi Glijansky


    Associate Produced by Kelli Kyle


    Sound design and editing by Ryan Hammond 


    Mixing and mastering by Julian Kwasneski 


    Additional Producing help from Faith Krogulecki


    Operations Coordination for AnitaB.org by Quinton Sprull.


    Creative Director for AnitaB.org is Deandra Coleman


    Executive Produced by Dominique Ferrari, Stacey Book, and Avi Glijansky for Frequency Machine 


    Podcast Marketing from Lauren Passell with Tink Media in partnership with Coley Bouschet at AnitaB.org


    Photo of Brenda Darden Wilkerson by Mandisa Media Productions


    For more ways to be the way forward, visit AnitaB.org

    41 min
  • Be Fearlessly Authentic, Not a Jerk - Jeanne Sparrow on How to Communicate for the Good of All

    Over the first half of Season 2, we’ve been exploring the best ways to create meaningful change - and whether it happens within our systems or on the outside. But no matter which approach you take, you have to be able to effectively communicate with others  - and that can be hard, especially when you need to speak up in spaces that may not seem as open to hearing from you. 


    How do you read the room and communicate more strongly to achieve our goals? And how do you do it without ever compromising our own values or sense of self?


    That’s precisely what Jeanne Sparrow is helping people discover. Author, actor, radio host, podcast host - not to mention a valued member of the AnitaB.org family - Jeanne’s book Fearless Authenticity is a guide to identifying and embracing your unique experience, perspective, and opinions, in order to chart a path that can serve you and others. It’s a skill that’s more crucial than ever, now, when there’s so much resistance to challenging the status quo. 


    Jeanne and Brenda talk about letting go of our own wrong assumptions - the ones about ourselves, the difference between being “fearless” and just being a jerk, and how the goal of fearless authenticity isn’t an inflated sense of a self, but a deeper connection with others.


    For more on Jeanne and her work check out...


    Instagram - @jmsparrow

    Facebook - /msjeannesparrow

    Threads - @jmsparrow

    X - @JMSparrow

    LinkedIn - /jeanne-sparrow-7409053/

    YouTube - @msjeannesparrow


    Find out more about Jeanne's book, Fearlessly Authentic, here, and check out her podcast! Might we humbly suggest you start with Brenda's episode?


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    At our heart, AnitaB.org is a connector: we connect women in tech to the organizations, opportunities, and tools they need to advance, thrive, and transform the future of technology. We convene transformative events, lead essential discussions, produce groundbreaking research and white papers, and support the tech ecosystem to shape the future for women in tech. 


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    Connect with AnitaB.org

    Instagram - @anitab_org

    Facebook - /anitab.0rg

    LinkedIn - /anitab-org

    On the web - anitab.org 


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    Our guests contribute to this podcast in their personal capacity. The views expressed in this interview are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Anita Borg Institute for Women and Technology or its employees (“AnitaB.org”). AnitaB.org is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of the information provided in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. This podcast series does not constitute legal or other professional advice or services.


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    B The Way Forward Is…


    Hosted and Executive Produced by Brenda Darden Wilkerson.

    Produced by Avi Glijansky


    Associate Produced by Kelli Kyle


    Sound design and editing by Ryan Hammond 


    Mixing and mastering by Julian Kwasneski 


    Additional Producing help from Faith Krogulecki


    Operations Coordination for AnitaB.org by Quinton Sprull.


    Creative Director for AnitaB.org is Deandra Coleman


    Executive Produced by Dominique Ferrari, Stacey Book, and Avi Glijansky for Frequency Machine 


    Podcast Marketing from Lauren Passell with Tink Media in partnership with Coley Bouschet at AnitaB.org


    For more ways to be the way forward, visit AnitaB.org

    41 min
  • The Art of the Pitch: How BāKIT Box Founder Shelley Gupta Crafts a Winning Pitch

    Welcome to B The Way Forward Interludes - a series of conversations that don’t necessarily fit in our regular season, but are just too good to not share. 


    Today, we’re bringing you a conversation with one of our favorite kinds of people; A BFF. No, not a “best friend forever,” a Badass Female Founder. 


    Shelley Gupta took her own culinary and cultural curiosity and channeled it into BāKIT Box, a unique subscription service delivering STEM-based baking activity kits that bring the world’s flavors and traditions to your kitchen. On the menu for our conversation? The art of pitching - your product, your company, and even yourself. 


    And Shelley knows what she’s talking about. Not only has she successfully pitched her company to investors, she’s a two-time pitch competition winner, including taking top prize at the 2024 PitcHer competition at Grace Hopper Celebration.


    Shelley talks with Brenda about how BĀKIT Box evolved from pitch to product, the realities of being a female founder when VCs are still underinvesting in women-led companies, and of course, what she’s learned about crafting a winning pitch - and how she’s still refining it, even today, 50 versions later.


    For more check out Shelley and BāKIT BOX...

    Instagram - @bakitbox

    Facebook - /therealbakitbox

    X - @bakitbox

    TikTok - @bakitbox

    YouTube - @bakitbox

    LinkedIn - /bakitbox

    Pinterest - /bkitbox


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    At our heart, AnitaB.org is a connector: we connect women in tech to the organizations, opportunities, and tools they need to advance, thrive, and transform the future of technology. We convene transformative events, lead essential discussions, produce groundbreaking research and white papers, and support the tech ecosystem to shape the future for women in tech. 


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    Connect with AnitaB.org

    Instagram - @anitab_org

    Facebook - /anitab.0rg

    LinkedIn - /anitab-org

    On the web - anitab.org 


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    Our guests contribute to this podcast in their personal capacity. The views expressed in this interview are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Anita Borg Institute for Women and Technology or its employees (“AnitaB.org”). AnitaB.org is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of the information provided in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. This podcast series does not constitute legal or other professional advice or services.


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    B The Way Forward Is…

    Hosted and Executive Produced by Brenda Darden Wilkerson.

    Produced by Avi Glijansky

    Associate Produced by Kelli Kyle

    Sound design and editing by Ryan Hammond 

    Mixing and mastering by Julian Kwasneski 

    Additional Producing help from Faith Krogulecki

    Operations Coordination for AnitaB.org by Quinton Sprull.

    Creative Director for AnitaB.org is Deandra Coleman

    Executive Produced by Dominique Ferrari, Stacey Book, and Avi Glijansky for Frequency Machine 

    Podcast Marketing from Lauren Passell with Tink Media in partnership with Coley Bouschet at AnitaB.org

    Photo of Brenda Darden Wilkerson by Mandisa Media Productions

    For more ways to be the way forward, visit AnitaB.org

    39 min
  • Coming Up on B The Way Forward: The Best Things I Learned From the Worst Day of My Career

    It’s never been easy being a woman in tech. But now? When top tech execs say there’s "not enough masculine energy" in “the culture?” It’s a lot. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a show where women who’ve “made it” can share their inspiring success stories? 


    Sure. But this is not that show.


    Because we don’t need “nice,” we need honesty. And, if we’re being honest, failure can teach us even more than success.


    In the second half of B The Way Forward’s second season, I’m talking to leaders from Adobe, Google, Slack, and more, to shine a light on the lessons they learned from their worst days. These conversations are candid, sometimes painful, and often funny. But most importantly, they are packed with insights, practical tips, and lessons to help you navigate your career.


    Because sometimes what you need to learn from your heroes isn’t how to soar - It’s how to fall flat with grace.


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    At our heart, AnitaB.org is a connector: we connect women in tech to the organizations, opportunities, and tools they need to advance, thrive, and transform the future of technology. We convene transformative events, lead essential discussions, produce groundbreaking research and white papers, and support the tech ecosystem to shape the future for women in tech. 


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    Connect with AnitaB.org

    Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/anitab_org/

    Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/AnitaB.0rg/

    LinkedIn - .https://www.linkedin.com/company/anitab-org/

    On the web - https://www.anitab.org

    2 min
  • The Environmental Impact of Your Chatbot Habit - Why it Might Be Time to Say Bye to the AI

    Here’s a question; how much water do you think a single query of ChatGPT consumes? What about Carbon Emissions? How many round trip flights between New York and San Francisco equal the Co2 emitted by training one Large Language Model? And maybe this is the most important one - how would you even figure those numbers out when the big AI companies don’t make them public?


    Concerns about AI’s impact on Climate Change aren’t new, but as extreme weather events like the floods in North Carolina and the wild fires in L.A. become more and more frequent, a lot of us are wondering just how much blame we should lay at AI’s doorstep. How can we make sure that we take our planet into account while continuing to develop this technology?


    To help us understand the real cost of all our ChatGPT queries and Dall-E diversions, we’re talking to two women who are both fighting for more transparency around these very questions. Dr. Sasha Luccioni, the Climate Lead at AI company Hugging Face, has chosen to fight for more sustainable AI from within an AI company. On the other hand, Yoca Arditi-Rocha, executive director at the CLEO Institute is deeply skeptical that businesses will choose to put the planet above profit on their own accord. 


    Can an Insider approach lead to climate-safe AI? Or is it up to activists and outsiders to make sure that all those AI prompts we thought were saving us so much time don’t end up meaning our planet's time is up that much sooner.


    For more check out Dr. Luccioni...

    On Bluesky - @sashamtl.bsky.social

    On X - @SashaMTL

    On LinkedIn - /sashaluccioniphd


    And for more from Yoca and the CLEO Institute find them...

    On X - @Yoca1000 | @CLEOInstitute

    On Instagram - @cleoinstitute

    On Facebook - /CLEOInstitute

    On LinkedIn - /yocamille | /the-cleo-institute

    On the Web - cleoinstitute.org


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    At AnitaB.org, our mission is to enable and equip women technologists with the tools, resources, and knowledge they need to thrive. Through innovative programs and initiatives, we empower women to chart new paths, better prepared to lead, advance, and achieve equitable compensation. Because when women succeed, they uplift their communities and redefine success on their terms, both professionally and personally.​


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    Connect with AnitaB.org

    Instagram - @anitab_org

    Facebook - /anitab.0rg

    LinkedIn - /anitab-org

    On the web - anitab.org 


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    Our guests contribute to this podcast in their personal capacity. The views expressed in this interview are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Anita Borg Institute for Women and Technology or its employees (“AnitaB.org”). AnitaB.org is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of the information provided in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. This podcast series does not constitute legal or other professional advice or services.


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    B The Way Forward Is…

    Hosted and Executive Produced by Brenda Darden Wilkerson.

    Produced by Avi Glijansky

    Associate Produced by Kelli Kyle

    Sound design and editing by Ryan Hammond 

    Mixing and mastering by Julian Kwasneski 

    Additional Producing help from Faith Krogulecki

    Operations Coordination for AnitaB.org by Quinton Sprull.

    Creative Director for AnitaB.org is Deandra Coleman

    Executive Produced by Dominique Ferrari, Stacey Book, and Avi Glijansky for Frequency Machine 

    Podcast Marketing from Lauren Passell with Tink Media in partnership with Coley Bouschet at AnitaB.org

    Photo of Brenda Darden Wilkerson by Mandisa Media Productions

    For more ways to be the way forward, visit AnitaB.org

    46 min
  • Is AI Going to Take My Job? Unpacking How Workers Are Fighting to Protect Their Careers

    Let’s start with the obvious - There is no putting the AI genie back in the bottle.


    And frankly, as an organization run by technologists and dedicated to advancing women in tech, we wouldn’t necessarily want to. We believe in the promise of technology. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a lot to be concerned about with how AI has been developing so far. 


    Near the top of that list for almost everyone is the question “Is AI going to steal my job?” 


    For many creatives, that reality of being replaced by generative AI is already feeling frighteningly possible. So in this episode we take a look at the possible impact of AI on our careers through their eyes. How do we create an ethical world where human workers are valued while still developing AI as a powerful force for good? Can we trust that world to be built by AI companies themselves? Or do activists on the outside of Silicon Valley have to fight to make it real?


    First up, we talk with Dr. Moiya McTier, an astronomer and Senior Advisor for the Human Artistry CampAIgn, where she advocates for protection and guardrails against AI fraud and cloning among the creative community. Next we talk to award-winning voice over artist and the founder of AI Voice company EthoVox. Instead of waiting for the big AI companies to decimate the artform and community she loves - she created her own company to show how it can be done right.


    For more, check out Dr. McTier...

    On Bluesky - @goastromo

    On Instagram - @goastromo

    On TikTok - @goastromo

    On Youtube - @dr.moiyamctier7326


    And to learn more about the Human Artistry Campaign check them out...

    On - X - @human_artistry

    On Bluesky - @humanartistry

    On Instagram - @humanartistrycampaign

    TikTok - @humanartistrycampaign

    On the Web - humanartistrycampaign.com


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    At AnitaB.org, our mission is to enable and equip women technologists with the tools, resources, and knowledge they need to thrive. Through innovative programs and initiatives, we empower women to chart new paths, better prepared to lead, advance, and achieve equitable compensation. Because when women succeed, they uplift their communities and redefine success on their terms, both professionally and personally.​


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    Connect with AnitaB.org

    Instagram - @anitab_org

    Facebook - /anitab.0rg

    LinkedIn - /anitab-org

    On the web - anitab.org 


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    Our guests contribute to this podcast in their personal capacity. The views expressed in this interview are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Anita Borg Institute for Women and Technology or its employees (“AnitaB.org”). AnitaB.org is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of the information provided in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. This podcast series does not constitute legal or other professional advice or services.


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    B The Way Forward Is…

    Hosted and Executive Produced by Brenda Darden Wilkerson.

    Produced by Avi Glijansky

    Associate Produced by Kelli Kyle

    Sound design and editing by Ryan Hammond 

    Mixing and mastering by Julian Kwasneski 

    Additional Producing help from Faith Krogulecki

    Operations Coordination for AnitaB.org by Quinton Sprull.

    Creative Director for AnitaB.org is Deandra Coleman

    Executive Produced by Dominique Ferrari, Stacey Book, and Avi Glijansky for Frequency Machine 

    Podcast Marketing from Lauren Passell with Tink Media in partnership with Coley Bouschet at AnitaB.org

    Photo of Brenda Darden Wilkerson by Mandisa Media Productions

    For more ways to be the way forward, visit AnitaB.org

    46 min
  • The Revolution Will Be Democratized - How the Working Families Party Uses Data and Tech to Fight for Change

    We started this season by asking what’s the best way to create real change - inside or outside of the established system? But sometimes it feels like the systems we’re trying to improve are just too entrenched; it can be hard to imagine any approach being successful. And there might not be anyplace where that feels more true than in our politics.


    But Jennifer Knox, the National Director of Organizing and Tech for the Working Families Party doesn’t believe we have to be stuck with the system we have. 


    WFP is a third party that recruits and runs their own candidates. But they’re also an activist organization that advocates for election reforms and supports major party candidates when they see it as the most effective path for change. In a sense, the Working Families Party is both outside and inside the system. And what’s more, they’re at the forefront of using better tech and better data to do the one thing that really matters in any election - win.


    We talk about balancing sweeping change with practical realities, Fusion Tickets, Ranked Choice Voting and how WFP responded when the major parties blocked their access to the main voter data platform — naturally, they built their very own from the ground up. 


    Most of us can’t imagine a day when we’ll have more than two political parties in the U.S… but after this conversation with Jennifer, you just might change your mind.


    For more, check out Jennifer...

    On Instagram

    On Facebook

    On LinkedIn


    And follow WFP...

    On X

    On Instagram

    On Facebook


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    At AnitaB.org, our mission is to enable and equip women technologists with the tools, resources, and knowledge they need to thrive. Through innovative programs and initiatives, we empower women to chart new paths, better prepared to lead, advance, and achieve equitable compensation. Because when women succeed, they uplift their communities and redefine success on their terms, both professionally and personally.​


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    Connect with AnitaB.org

    Instagram - @anitab_org

    Facebook - /anitab.0rg

    LinkedIn - /anitab-org

    On the web - anitab.org 


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    B The Way Forward Is…

    Hosted and Executive Produced by Brenda Darden Wilkerson.

    Produced by Avi Glijansky

    Associate Produced by Kelli Kyle

    Sound design and editing by Ryan Hammond 

    Mixing and mastering by Julian Kwasneski 

    Additional Producing help from Faith Krogulecki

    Operations Coordination for AnitaB.org by Quinton Sprull.

    Creative Director for AnitaB.org is Deandra Coleman

    Executive Produced by Dominique Ferrari, Stacey Book, and Avi Glijansky for Frequency Machine 

    Podcast Marketing from Lauren Passell with Tink Media in partnership with Coley Bouschet at AnitaB.org

    Photo of Brenda Darden Wilkerson by Mandisa Media Productions

    For more ways to be the way forward, visit AnitaB.org

    38 min

About B The Way Forward

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B The Way Forward is an action-driven conversation about systemic change—how it happens, who drives it, and what it really takes to make an impact. Hosted by AnitaB.org CEO, and battle-tested leader in tech and equity, Brenda Darden-Wilkerson, the show gives listeners the tools they need to step off the sidelines and shape the future themselves.