Bachademia

1. Welcome!
2. Question of the week: What would your pre-fantasy suite dream date involve?  
3. Recap:
   1. Women tell all: Jerry Spring-like trash. I  don’t have  the energy to recap it all.  Best line:  “You can  go rot in  Ohio.”  Savage. DMs: Genevieve and Aaron, Shanae in  Aaron’s DMs. Clayton’s brother in Teddi’s dms. Clayton takes a beating. Does he deserve it? Kim, what do you think was worth repeating from WTA?
   2. The  Fantasy  Suites: Rachel gets the first date. Clayton tells her he  is  in  love with her. They shack up. He yells he loves her as he  walks away. Gabby gets the second date. Clayton tells her he loves her. They shack  up.  He yells he loves he loves her as he walks away. Meanwhile Suzie panics because she’s worried that Clayton is shacking up and  telling  Rachel and Gabby that  he loves  them. After the sex wears off, Clayton reralizes he may have gotten himself  in  a pickle telling two women that he loves them and  then shacking   up.  So what does he  do? He takes Suzie to dinner and tells her he loves her.  She’s like, ok. But do  you love other people or have you had sex with Gabby or Rachel, because I think that is a deal breaker. Clayton’s turn to panic. He gets angry at Suzie and now we all hate Clayton. The End. 
   3. Concept 1: Mean girls,  nice girls, and  two-faced bitches.
   4. Concept 2: I love you’s, shacking up, and the ethics of being the Bachelor.
   5. Concept 3: Predictions?  
   6. Walks of Shame. Stop being sexist, America

Sign off: Shout out to our listeners in Moncks Corner, South Carolina, known for its Southern charm and hospitality. Located near Charleston with a population just under 8000. Thanks for listening! 

• Welcome
• Question of the day: What family members would you feature in your hometown? What activity would you do to best showcase your personality?
• 2 minute recap (Kim)
• 3 concepts/topics to discuss (Kim)
  • Dads-is being the scary guy a good tactic? Siblings being the real decider
  • Why are grandparents so amazing?
  • Showing emotions:  fear, Clayton showing that he is scared in front of others. I like that. Crying, men crying in front of others (Roland)
• Wild card concept or topic (Bill)
  • Jiu-Jitsu and Backpacking…do they make good dates???
• Lessons learned
• Shoutout listening city: Compton, CA

1. Welcome!
2. Question: A handsome prince or beautiful princess sweeps you off your feet and offers to take you to buy one thing (no price constraints), but it is something you can only use for that day and you want to impress them…what you buying?
3. Two minute recapConcept 1: Shanae. 
4. Concept 1: What do we think about giving gifts in the “pretty women” date? Does this impress them? Does it matter that the principle actually isn’t buying it for them?
5. Concept 2: Let’s talk therapy…was this appropriate? Could this happen more organically? Is this a money grab by producers to jump on the mental health bandwagon?
6. Concept 3: Let’s talk about masculinity and crying…Danielle, first off are women totally turned off by a man who cries? Are their limits on crying in a relationship? Too much, too little, wrong times?
7. Danielle Does Frued Poorly.
   1. Freud psychoanalytic society was in Vienna. So the psychoanalytic date should’ve been obvious to viewers. Like, what else is Vienna known for?
   2. I took a pysch class once 20 years ago, so let’s play, what can Danielle remember?
      1. Penis envy
      2. Dream
      3. Hysteria
8. Lessons learned
9. Sign off

Shoutout to Guadalupe, Nuevo León

1. Welcome!
2. Question: What is the worst date you’ve ever been on?
3. Two minute recap: This episode begins with the worst date ever. It is the worst because it is a two-on-one with Genevieve and Shanae. Also, near as I can tell this is barely a date. They go on an awkward boat ride and then have an awkward picnic where he pulls each of them aside for a one-on-one conversation. I don’t understand why they had to go anywhere to do all this. They could have avoided a long, awkward car ride. Anyway, Genevieve confesses that opening up is hard and she’s been shut off but reaffirms that she is here for love. Shanae jumps right in with the accusations, telling Clayton that Genevieve is acting or being fake and then follows up by telling the producers how proud she is for crying on command. God, she’s the worst. Clayton almost falls for it and asks Genevieve if she’s an actress. Does he expect her to say yes? Something about this interaction triggers Clayton’s ability to read people and he steps away before coming back to send Shanae home. Everyone rejoices. 
4. We move onto the cocktail party before the rose ceremony. Sarah confesses her love to Clayton. Mara is getting jealous and her role as the next villain is starting to take shape. Rachel and Clayton need to get a room. Mara feeds Clayton a bite of food but then her time with him is interrupted. Mara is starting to unravel. The rose ceremony isn’t particularly surprising, Hunter and Marlena go home and the remaining crew jets off to Croatia. Teddi is gets a one-on-one in Croatia. Tedi reveals she’s a virgin. Clayton couldn’t tell from looking at her… WHAT? Teddi gets a rose. They announce a group date which reveals that Sarah is getting a second one-on-one. Mara doubles down on how being old makes her more ready for marriage and keeps referring to herself as Queen. At the group date, Mara tries hard by eating nasty food. Rachel tells Clayton she’s falling for him. He blushes. Gives Rachel the group date rose. Mara is mad. She feels slighted and decides to use her time with Clayton to tell him that he is doing everything wrong and to throw Sarah under the bus. Meanwhile, Suzi decides to surprise Clayton with a clocktower date. He loves it. By the way, the timing of all of this has me so confused. The next day, maybe? Sarah practically skips to her one-on-one that I think is just dinner…only to find out that she’s been accused of being young and not marriage material. She cries a lot. Clayton asks for time to think. Which is weird. Sarah feels very betrayed and spirals before pulling it together for her and Clayton to make up and she grabs her rose. On the way out, she kind of breaks out of the sweet role we’ve seen her in and the previews suggest that Sarah might be a villain after all. 
5. Concept 1: Shanae. She issues an IG statement where she suggested that was how they arranged the footage. Thoughts. Also, Shanae for the next Bachelorette?
6. Concept 2: Virgins. Why are reality dating shows so obsessed with virgins? Can you tell a virgin from looking at them? 
7. Concept 3: Mara’s effort. Does effort count in the Bachelor? In love? 
8. Kim’s lesson on how to snag a man– then and now. (were 1950s men really that helpless/worthless?)
9. Lessons learned
10. Sign off

• Welcome
• Question of the day: Is Canada international? Where is the most foreign feeling place you have visited in the States? What is the most American thing you’ve done in another country? 
• 2 minute recap (Kim)
• 3 concepts/topics to discuss (Kim)
  • What makes a good early date? Dinner vs activities (Unhappy Hour crossover)
  • The Art of Acting …aka…work on your apologies, ma’am
  • Teasing vs roasting vs bullying
• Wild card concept or topic (Bill)
  • Disclosing personal information in romantic relationships…or, “thanks for sharing that…”
• Lessons learned
• Sign off

1. Welcome to another week of Bachademia! We had some chaos this week on the show and we are going to channel it on the podcast! You in D3?!?!?!??!
2. Question of the day: What is the most awkward thing you have said to someone while necking, kissing, making out? (A la, I will never diminish your light)
3. 2 minute recap: Set the clock
4. Concept 1: Arguments - 
   1. What is the anatomy of an argument? 
   2. What is the point?
   3. Does anyone win?
5. Concept 2: Couples, career ambitions and being supportive
   1. This comes up a lot when couples have problems, what happens when one person wants to do something in their career and it is antithetical to the other person’s vision of the relationship?
   2. How do you resolve? 
6. Concept 3: Do you think Shanae’s pursuit of Clayton makes him more likely to choose her?
7. Wildcard:  Let’s talk a bit about the role of villains in dating shows. Ok. First, there is very little research on this topic. So if you are a Master’s student looking for a thesis project, get rolling. What we do know is that producers often create villains. There was a Time Magazine article in 2006 by JAMES PONIEWOZIK that revealed how reality tv fakes it. Frankenbiting, fake settings, misleading montages, the leading interview, and the overdub. How much do we think the producers play a role in making Shanae the villain? And what happens to villains when they carry their fake reputations into their real life post show? I’m interested in the characteristics of villains on dating shows and how that overlaps with villains in other genres or clashes.  
8. Lessons learned
9. Sign-off

1. Welcome!
2. Hosts this week? Kim Hanna and Daniel Dick McGeough
3. Question: What is something about your appearance that you like? And what is something quirky about other people’s appearances that you love? 
4. Two minute recap
5. Concept 1: Cassidy and Trust. Clearly, Clayton is right to not trust Cassidy. That being said, should something like facetiming a friends with benefits be enough to break trust? Was her lying a deal breaker?  
6. Concept 2: Body image and Compulsory Self-Disclosure. First, let’s talk about the forced self-disclosure. Is this vulnerability? Do they need a professional therapist to facilitate this? How do we feel about this as a group activity? Next, What is body positivity? What is body neutrality? Does The Bachelor try to pass off objectification as body positivity?
7. Concept 3: Bullies and shrimp. Let’s talk about cray Shanae. Did she deserve shade for eating all the shrimp? Was she snubbed? Does being snubbed make you bullied? 
8. Baywatch. Take it away kim. 
9. Lessons learned
10. Sign off

• Welcome
• Question of the day: Never Have I Ever: Bachelor Style
  • I will ask two Never Have I Ever and Bill will ask two Never Have I Ever
    • K: Never Have I Ever…gone on a date with two different people in the same weekend
    • K: Never Have I Ever…flown in a helicopter (I have been in a hot tub on a big boat though)
    • B:Never have I ever…ditched a person during a date for a fake excuse
    • B:Never have I ever…shown interest in someone to get access to their friend I really wanted to date.
• 2 minute recap (Kim) (It’s more like five minutes but it’s funny)
• 3 concepts/topics to discuss (Kim)
  • Weaponizing mental health
    • Sharing someone else’s mental health struggles is never ok
    • Making fun of someone else’s mental health struggles is never ok
    • Saying you have ADHD too and everyone has ADHD and minimizing someone else’s ADHD is never ok
  • Mean Girls
    • You were a teenage boy. I was a teenage girl. Is ‘Mean Boys’ a thing because middle school girls can be brutal. But these women are in their twenties. What are they doing?
    • https://www.verywellfamily.com/signs-of-a-mean-girl-460512 
    • When they go low, we go high (My Queen Michelle Obama)
  • First Impressions in Week One vs Second Impressions in Week Two
    • Shanae, Cassidy, Susie and Elizabeth got the most screen time this week
    • Who do we want to be featured in Week 3?
    • Week one vs week two spreadsheet comparisons
• Wild card concept or topic (Bill)
  • Cheating and is it a red flag?
• Lessons learned
• Sign off

• Welcome
• Question of the day: You are granted a magical power, you are given 3 options for theme music whenever you walk in a room - One is for when you are pumped, one is for when you are angry, and one is for when you are moody/emo. What would they be? 
• 2 minute recap (host 1 does this however they want)!
• 3 concepts/topics to discuss (host 1 does this)
  • Concept 1 - Who are your front runners from this episode and why? 
    • Questions or prompts - He has a subdued energy do we think he needs someone who is vivacious? What are does the research say about opposites? 
  • Concept 2 - Who is going to be the biggest drama starters and why? 
    • Questions or prompts: What about those women give you a pause?
  • Concept 3 - We got to know Clayton a little bit more. Any positives or red flags going into this season?
    • Thoughts on him sending the one girl home?
• I saw this on IG, on a scale of 1-Pilot Pete how chaotic is Clayton’s decision making?
  • Talk about previously engaged girl (bach data timeline stuff too)-- he gave her a rose. What does this tell us about her decision making?
  • D teaches something on decision making 
• Lessons learned
• Sign off

Referenced Article: Vennum, A. & Fincham, F.D., (2011), Assessing decision making in young adult romantic relationships. Psychological Assessment, 23, 739-751. 

• Welcome to Bachademia and the final episode for this season! How are you doing D3? 
• Question of the week: What is your guilty indulgence during break? 
• Let’s get down to business - The episode starts with Brandon meeting Michelle’s parents. Spoiler Alert: Everyone loves Brandon. Michelle’s mom basically calls him perfect!” D3 what did you think of their conversation? Anything stick out? 
  • Honestly, I want something to talk about here, but it just went really well. Basically how you would hope meeting your future in-laws would go. 
• Next up Nayte meets the parents. This doesn’t seem to go as well. 
  • He sort of says he doesn’t take love that seriously, but then says that was a mistake. 
  • Michelle’s family doesn’t seem sold. Thoughts on their reception? How much weight should your family’s opinion play in who you continue a relationship with?
  • Do you think the producers were trying to make this seem worse than it was?
• Next are the final dates. Brandon again goes first. They go jet skiing, Brandon continues the trend of seeming really young and gives her his favorite hoodie… Then Michelle tells Brandon she is in love with him… Whoa!!!! I think we all thought Brandon would get his heart crushed but this is a wrinkle. 
  • Thoughts on this?
  • Should you tell more than one person you love them? Like is that possible?
• Next up is Nayte - There is some shaman and some ceremony and basically Nayte still doesn’t really open up. 
  • During the night time Nayte finally says he loves Michelle, that seems to be enough…thoughts?
• Then the proposals happen  - basically they walk down a lot of stairs she dumps Brandon and picks Nayte
  • There is a sweet note from Brandon, but I think he has tapped out that trick... 
  • Poor Brandon has to re-ascend mount Olympus and do the drive of shame. Nayte proposes gets to drive into the sunset with 6 earrings, 2 nose rings, bracelets and 4 necklaces. Thoughts? 
• After the final rose - First, I am pretty sure Twitter bullied the show into making the audience wear masks…what world do we live in?
  • Brandon sits down first and basically says what you would expect (I want what is best for MIchelle, I was heart broken) but still seems happy. Michelle basically says she did love them both. I kind of thought the only interesting nugget was when Brandon was saying his openness was not really appreciated but, she worked so hard to get Nayte to open up. Fair assessment? 
• Nayte comes out, I got a weird vibe from them together. Maybe I am off, but they seemed like they were really trying to demonstrate how much they were into each other. D3?
  • Nayte is asked if he will relocate and he says, “for sure, bet..” Ok, I made some of that up. But he does say he will but won’t put a time frame on it. I am at odds with this. Danielle your thoughts?
  • The producers give them money for a down payment on a house, I think is was 200k…which is a shi!t ton of money. Like that is a whole house in some places. Thoughts on this gesture?
• Then they publicly shame Clayton…this was weird. This just seemed kind of mean and Clayton just smiled and laughed through all of it…it is gonna be a wild season. 
• Lessons learned from this season?
• Big announcement about co-host Kim.