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If you’re getting through each day but feel disconnected from yourself, simply pushing harder may not be the answer. You might recognize the experience of running on autopilot, saying yes when you need to say no, or knowing that something needs to change without knowing where to begin. In this conversation, Karina speaks with clinical psychologist Dr. Veronique Elefant-Yanni about understanding what you feel, not just what you think, and making room for a different relationship with yourself.
Drawing on her 3D Human Therapy® framework, Veronique introduces affect and her distinction between “thinking space” and “feeling space.” She shares four everyday wellbeing practices: breathing, walking in nature, appreciating small pleasures, and meditation. Together, they explore people-pleasing, self-trust, and why returning to work after burnout can bring bigger questions about your values and choices. It’s an invitation to approach recovery with curiosity and self-compassion rather than treating yourself as something that needs fixing.
In this episode, you will:00:00 Introduction
02:12 What is Affect?
13:22 How does our affect effect our daily lives?
21:26 Environment vs. Internalization
24:25 Four tools to keep the connection between thinking and feeling strong?
28:51 Why we struggle to slow down and appreciate the present
36:59 I don't have a choice, I have to go back to work
47:02 Wrap-up and Connect with Dr. Elefant-Yanni
Resources mentionedDr. Veronique Elefant-Yanni is a clinical psychologist with a PhD in Affective Sciences and over 25 years of clinical practice. She created 3D Human Therapy®, a non-pathologizing framework focused on helping people understand their affective experience and reconnect thinking and feeling.
Connect with Dr. Veronique Elefant-YanniWhere in your day do you notice yourself running on autopilot, and what small moment of presence could you make room for today?
Search questions & answersQuestion: What is affect in 3D Human Therapy®?
Answer: Affect is your immediate feeling response to what is happening inside you and around you, before you put that experience into words. In 3D Human Therapy®, it is described through three dimensions: tension (how tense or relaxed you feel), activation (how alert or sleepy you feel), and valence (how pleasant or unpleasant you feel). Noticing these sensations is a way to check in with yourself rather than focusing only on your thoughts.
Question: What everyday practices can help me reconnect with myself during burnout recovery?
Answer: Four everyday practices to try are taking three slow belly breaths, walking in nature without your phone for 30 minutes at least twice a week, fully appreciating a small daily pleasure, and meditating for 20 minutes a day. A small pleasure could be savoring a cup of coffee, reading a few pages, or talking with a friend. For meditation, focus on your breathing or surrounding sounds, gently returning your attention when it wanders. These practices create opportunities to notice how you feel; they are not a substitute for professional support.
Question: How can people-pleasing make it harder to set boundaries at work?
Answer: People-pleasing can make saying no feel difficult because being helpful becomes tied to receiving approval or feeling good enough. At work, this can mean agreeing to extra tasks, feeling responsible for everything, and overlooking your own limits. A useful starting point is to ask whether you genuinely want to help or feel you must say yes to earn acceptance. Recognizing that difference can help you make room for your own needs when setting boundaries.
Question: Why can returning to work after burnout feel difficult even when I’m ready?
Answer: Feeling ready to work again does not necessarily mean feeling ready to return to the same working conditions. Burnout recovery can lead you to reconsider your values, priorities, and what you want from work, making a return to your previous routine feel uncomfortable or at odds with your needs. Financial and family responsibilities may limit immediate changes. Identifying what you want to be different and planning toward it, even over a longer period, can help restore a sense of choice.
Back After Burnout is produced by the SwissCast Network, the only podcast network with podcasts produced in, for, or about English-speaking Switzerland.
Back After Burnout is for education and inspiration only and does not constitute medical, mental-health, legal, or employment advice. Every burnout journey is unique—always consult qualified healthcare and workplace professionals before acting on anything you hear. Resources shared are tools Karina has personally found helpful; they may not suit every listener. Use what serves you and leave the rest.
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If you’re used to pushing through, saying yes, or holding yourself to perfectionistic standards, it can be hard to tell when those patterns are helping you and when they’re keeping you stuck in survival mode. Therapist Cindy Payne joins Karina to unpack trauma, chronic stress, and the ways shame, people-pleasing, and ‘overfunctioning’ can shape how high-achieving people show up at work and at home.
Together, they explore how to notice what’s happening in your body, respond with curiosity rather than self-judgment, and make room for small choices that support recovery. Cindy shares practical starting points, from self-compassion and values check-ins to the four grounding pillars she uses in times of transition: nutrition, rest, community, and movement. This conversation offers a calm reminder that you don’t have to perfect your healing; you can begin by noticing what matters and taking one small step.
In this episode, you will:00:00 Cindy’s path into trauma-informed therapy
03:30 What people mean when they use the word “trauma”
07:00 Why people can respond differently to difficult experiences
08:45 How the body and nervous system relate to stress
14:40 Why dysregulation is human, and when it can become a concern
18:09 Shame, high achievement, and people-pleasing
25:16 Telling coping patterns apart from personality and values
30:57 Workplace culture, support, and rebuilding a sense of choice
37:36 Acceptance, self-compassion, and starting with small practices
42:04 What “trauma-informed” should mean in practice
46:36 Cindy’s four grounding pillars for times of crisis or transition
51:04 Where to find Cindy and her work
Resources mentionedCindy Payne is a therapist, speaker, and host of the Reclaiming Me podcast. She is the founder of Rooted Counseling and Wellness, where she supports people navigating complex PTSD, perfectionism, and survival-driven patterns such as people-pleasing and overfunctioning.
Connect with Cindy PayneWhich pattern are you ready to meet with curiosity, and what is one small choice that would better support what matters to you now?
Q&AQuestion: How can I tell whether a difficult experience is affecting me as trauma or stress? Answer: Cindy describes trauma as something the brain and body couldn’t process at the time, which may leave lingering reactions. She notes that people respond differently to difficult experiences, and that repeated relational harms can affect someone too. This is a helpful way to reflect, not a diagnostic test.
Question: What are simple ways to notice and regulate stress in my body? Answer: Start by noticing physical cues such as shallow breathing, tightness, jaw tension, or raised shoulders. Cindy suggests slowing down and trying small practices, such as paying attention to your breath and body, rather than expecting yourself to stay perfectly regulated.
Question: How do I know if perfectionism or people-pleasing is part of my personality or a coping pattern? Answer: Cindy suggests checking whether your habits support the values that matter to you now. Values can change over time. If a behavior no longer fits but feels frightening to let go of, it may be worth exploring what that behavior has been protecting.
Question: What can help when I’m recovering from burnout or worried about returning to work? Answer: Begin with support and small, manageable choices rather than trying to perfect your recovery. Cindy’s grounding pillars are nutrition, restorative rest, community, and movement. She also recommends considering workplace culture and looking for ways to rebuild a sense of choice.
Back After Burnout is produced by the SwissCast Network, the only podcast network with podcasts produced in, for, or about English-speaking Switzerland.
Back After Burnout is for education and inspiration only and does not constitute medical, mental-health, legal, or employment advice. Every burnout journey is unique—always consult qualified healthcare and workplace professionals before acting on anything you hear. Resources shared are tools Karina has personally found helpful; they may not suit every listener. Use what serves you and leave the rest.
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When everyday stress keeps stacking up, even a single email can trigger anger, anxiety, or a reaction you later regret. In this guest-hosted episode, personal leadership and mental well-being coach Shefali Khokhar explains how these repeated stress responses can become chronic and contribute to burnout.
Shefali introduces a practical mental fitness framework for shifting from the reactive “survival mind” into the calmer, clearer “sage mind.” You’ll learn three skills you can practice in daily life: noticing negative thought patterns, grounding yourself through focused sensory awareness, and choosing a more constructive response. She also explains how to adapt these practices depending on whether you are approaching burnout, experiencing clinical burnout, or moving through reintegration. The goal is not perfect positivity. It is a gentler, more effective way to meet difficult moments.
In this episode, you will learn00:00 Karina introduces Shefali and the focus on everyday mental fitness
00:48 What mental fitness means
01:15 How one stressful email can trigger an escalating reaction
02:35 How repeated stress can become chronic and contribute to burnout
03:07 The Positive Intelligence model of mental fitness
04:02 Survival mind versus sage mind
05:04 Skill one: noticing negative thoughts and emotions
06:16 Skill two: using sensory focus for self-command
07:18 Skill three: responding from the sage mind
08:19 Why this is not toxic positivity
09:08 A practical example of pausing and choosing a calmer response
10:18 Adapting the practices for burnout and reintegration
11:43 Practicing gently instead of aiming for perfection
Resources mentionedShefali Khokhar is an ICF-accredited Professional Certified Coach and Certified Positive Intelligence Coach. She helps clients strengthen personal leadership, navigate professional and personal transitions, communicate more effectively, and find greater mental balance and well-being.
Connect with Shefali KhokharWhat situation tends to pull you into survival mode, and what small sensory practice could help you pause before responding?
What is mental fitness?Mental fitness is the ability to respond constructively to challenges affecting your performance, relationships, and well-being. It involves noticing reactive thoughts and emotions, grounding yourself in the present moment, and choosing a calmer, more effective response.
How can I get out of survival mode when I feel stressed?Start by noticing the negative emotion without judging yourself. Then focus closely on a physical sensation, such as your breathing or the sounds around you, for approximately 20 seconds. This brief pause can interrupt the stress response and help you respond with greater clarity and intention.
Can mental fitness exercises help with burnout recovery?Mental fitness exercises may help interrupt negative thought spirals, strengthen awareness, and support calmer responses. However, the right approach depends on your stage of burnout. During clinical burnout, gentle sensory grounding may be more appropriate than demanding cognitive exercises, and practices should be discussed with a qualified healthcare or support professional.
Back After Burnout is produced by the SwissCast Network, the only podcast network with podcasts produced in, for, or about English-speaking Switzerland.
Back After Burnout is for education and inspiration only and does not constitute medical, mental-health, legal, or employment advice. Every burnout journey is unique—always consult qualified healthcare and workplace professionals before acting on anything you hear. Resources shared are tools Karina has personally found helpful; they may not suit every listener. Use what serves you and leave the rest.
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If you’ve ever thought, “Something has to change, but I can’t just burn it all down,” this episode is for you. When work has been a major factor in stress or burnout, it can feel like the only real option is to quit. Job crafting offers a calmer, more practical alternative: small, intentional adjustments that make your day-to-day work fit your energy, values, strengths, and limits.
You’ll learn what job crafting is (and isn’t), why it can be especially helpful for a sustainable return to work, and how to start with low-risk experiments instead of big overhauls. We’ll walk through real-world examples and a simple “job crafting audit” you can use to identify what drains you, what restores you, and what you can realistically reshape.
In this episode, you will learnWhat’s one small change you could test over the next two weeks that would reduce strain without compromising what matters most in your role?
Continue the Conversation:You’re not alone in this. These episodes explore the same themes from a few helpful angles:
Should I stay or Should I go? Episode 7
Post Burnout Self-Care Episode 11
Back After Burnout is produced by the SwissCast Network, the only podcast network with podcasts produced in, for, or about English-speaking Switzerland.
Back After Burnout is for education and inspiration only and does not constitute medical, mental-health, legal, or employment advice. Every burnout journey is unique—always consult qualified healthcare and workplace professionals before acting on anything you hear. Resources shared are tools Karina has personally found helpful; they may not suit every listener. Use what serves you and leave the rest.
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If you’ve ever felt like you had to keep it together at work no matter what, this conversation will hit home. Eric Kreitz shares what it looked like to lead at a high level while quietly burning out, why “coping” can morph into something dangerous, and why work is often the last place people let the truth in.
We also dig into what happens after time off. Returning after burnout, addiction treatment, or a mental health leave is rarely as simple as picking up where you left off. Eric breaks down the ARrIVE Reintegration Framework, a practical, supervisor-centered playbook for making reintegration safer, clearer, and more sustainable for everyone involved.
In this episode, you will learnEric Kreitz is a leadership and reintegration coach and the founder of Renovium Leadership. He helps supervisors and organizations support employees returning after mental health or addiction treatment and builds practical reintegration plans that balance wellbeing and operational reality.
Connect with Eric KreitzWhere have you built a “work wall” in your own life, and what would a small, low-risk step toward support and clarity look like this week?
Back After Burnout is produced by the SwissCast Network, the only podcast network with podcasts produced in, for, or about English-speaking Switzerland.
Back After Burnout is for education and inspiration only and does not constitute medical, mental-health, legal, or employment advice. Every burnout journey is unique—always consult qualified healthcare and workplace professionals before acting on anything you hear. Resources shared are tools Karina has personally found helpful; they may not suit every listener. Use what serves you and leave the rest.
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If you are weighing whether to talk about burnout at work, this episode helps you slow the decision down without pressure. You will hear why disclosure is rarely a simple yes or no, and how to think about your own safety, privacy, and support needs in a way that keeps you in control.
Karina breaks disclosure into two paths: the choices you make deliberately, and the moments where disclosure happens more organically because the situation creates “room to share.” Through practical factors, relatable scenarios, and research that explains why some workplaces make these conversations easier than others, you will leave with a clearer way to decide what to share, who to share it with, and what your first step could be.
In this episode, you will learn00:00 The core question: do you talk about burnout at work?
01:57 Outlining Key Scenarios in Disclosing Burnout
03:01 Disclosure as a Conscious Decision
05:25 Returning to the Same Job - Emma's Story
06:36 Job Searching After Burnout - Daniel's Story
08:03 Disclosure as an Organic, Contextual Process
09:34 What creates or limits "room to share"?
Resources mentionedKarina Schneider supports people navigating burnout recovery and return-to-work decisions, with a calm, practical approach that helps them protect recovery while rebuilding confidence and agency.
Connect with Karina SchneiderKarina on LinkedIn
Listener reflectionIf you imagined disclosure as a spectrum instead of a binary choice, what is one small, low-risk step you could take this week to get the support you need?
Back After Burnout is produced by the SwissCast Network, the only podcast network with podcasts produced in, for, or about English-speaking Switzerland.
Back After Burnout is for education and inspiration only and does not constitute medical, mental-health, legal, or employment advice. Every burnout journey is unique—always consult qualified healthcare and workplace professionals before acting on anything you hear. Resources shared are tools Karina has personally found helpful; they may not suit every listener. Use what serves you and leave the rest.
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If you have been feeling unwell at work, stuck in a role that is draining you, or quietly wondering whether it is time to leave, this conversation is for you. Karina sits down with career coach Ben Fox to talk about the idea of a “quit date” as a calming, practical milestone. Together they unpack why leaving can feel so scary, even when you have savings or options, and how getting objective about your financial runway can help your nervous system settle enough to think clearly.
Ben also shares how experimentation, community, and rebuilding your energy can open doors you cannot see when you are deep in exhaustion and cynicism. Quitting is not always the answer, but having it on the table can create space for a healthier relationship with work, and a more meaningful next step.
In this episode, you will learn00:00 Introduction
01:08 Ben’s path from teaching to coaching
05:26 Who Ben helps
09:22 The “quit date” idea and why many people resist it at first
10:51 “What’s My Runway?” using numbers to calm the amygdala
13:12 Beyond money: health, responsibility, and fear of being seen as a quitter
16:42 Boundaries, people-pleasing, and the moment a parent realizes the cost
21:32 Identity, ageism, and the fear of the “abyss” when you do not know what is next
27:09 Why you only need the next step, not the next ten
31:31 Experimentation as a hypothesis, and crossing options off the list with relief
36:48 Community and relationship-based job searching that feels more human
45:11 Where to begin: do not quit rashly, start with your runway
Resources mentionedBen Fox is a career coach based in New York City. He helps experienced people in tech, especially senior software engineers, leave toxic jobs and build careers that feel meaningful, energizing, and aligned.
Connect with BenIf you are in the thick of burnout, try this question: What would change in my body and mind if I knew I could leave on a specific date, even if I did not know every step after that yet?
Back After Burnout is produced by the SwissCast Network, the only podcast network with podcasts produced in, for, or about English-speaking Switzerland.
Back After Burnout is for education and inspiration only and does not constitute medical, mental-health, legal, or employment advice. Every burnout journey is unique—always consult qualified healthcare and workplace professionals before acting on anything you hear. Resources shared are tools Karina has personally found helpful; they may not suit every listener. Use what serves you and leave the rest.
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Sustainable recovery from burnout isn't just about taking time off—it's about having the right tools and resources to maintain momentum and avoid falling back into old patterns. In this solo episode, Karina shares her top 5 go-to resources that have made a real difference in her own burnout recovery journey.
These recommendations span books, frameworks, and talks that address everything from the biology of stress to the emotional weight of resentment. Whether you're currently in burnout, recovering from it, or working to prevent it, these resources offer practical wisdom, comfort, and actionable strategies.
The 5 Resources:
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Have a resource that helped you? Share it in the comments or send Karina a message—sharing is caring, and the community benefits from knowing what support exists.
Back After Burnout is for education and inspiration only and does not constitute medical, mental-health, legal, or employment advice. Every burnout journey is unique—always consult qualified healthcare and workplace professionals before acting on anything you hear. Resources shared are tools Karina has personally found helpful; they may not suit every listener. Use what serves you and leave the rest.
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Returning to work after burnout can feel overwhelming. Will you fit in? Has everything changed? Are you really ready?
Mary Finn, founder of Connect4Work and certified disability management professional, joins Karina to pull back the curtain on what it really takes to return to work after extended absence. With experience supporting both employees and organizations across Ireland, Mary brings unique insight into both sides of the return to work journey.
This conversation explores the fears employees face, the mistakes managers make, and the communication gaps that keep people in limbo. Mary shares how return to work is a process, not a single day—and why sustaining your return matters more than getting back quickly.
If you've ever wondered how to ask for workplace accommodations, support someone returning from absence, or plan a sustainable transition back to work, this episode offers compassionate, practical guidance.
Takeaways:Back After Burnout is for education and inspiration only and does not constitute medical, mental-health, legal, or employment advice. Every burnout journey is unique—always consult qualified healthcare and workplace professionals before acting on anything you hear. Resources shared are tools Karina has personally found helpful; they may not suit every listener. Use what serves you and leave the rest.
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In this episode of Back After Burnout, host Karina Schneider explores post-burnout self-care strategies that go beyond routine wellness activities, focusing on preventive and responsive approaches for sustainable workplace integration.
Learn how to identify early warning signs, create actionable response plans, and build self-care systems that support your recovery journey as you navigate returning to work after burnout.
Key Takeaways:
More on Care Teams in episode 10, https://www.swisscastnetwork.ch/show/back-after-burnout/10-who-is-in-your-care-team/
Chapters00:00 Introduction: Post-Burnout Self-Care Beyond Routine
00:15 Struggles with Self-Care Habits
01:24 Preventive and Responsive Self-Care Strategies
05:41 Building Your Personal Post Burnout Self-Care Plan
Back After Burnout is for education and inspiration only and does not constitute medical, mental-health, legal, or employment advice. Every burnout journey is unique—always consult qualified healthcare and workplace professionals before acting on anything you hear. Resources shared are tools Karina has personally found helpful; they may not suit every listener. Use what serves you and leave the rest.
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