Back On The Grid

Back On The Grid

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  • PJM Is Dead

    PJM is dead. Long live PJM. If you already know about capacity markets, skip to the secret ending at 26:15. Otherwise, hope you enjoy the episode! And to future me listening back - remember VRR curve for demand.

    Timestamps:

    • 00:00-Intro
    • 02:00-Hello and Goodbye
    • 03:10-Fundamentals Start Here
    • 05:10-Restructuring the Market
    • 06:15-Basic NERC Reliability Standard
    • 07:15-Market Power and Price Caps
    • 10:00-Probability of Reliable Capacity (ICAP, ELCC, UCAP)
    • 12:00-Balancing payment with penalties
    • 13:00-Data Centers
    • 17:45-Renewables and Capacity
    • 18:00-Epilogue
    • 22:40-Complications in Responsibility
    • 24:00-PJM IS DEAD, Long Live PJM
    • 25:10-Capacity Markets are All Made Up
    • 26:15-Secret ending


    Suggested reading:

    • Analysis of the 2026/2027 RPM Base Residual Auction (October, 2025)


    For reliability standards - look up EUE; LOLH; and LOLE all coming together for risk. Bidding rules - look up MOPR for old utilities that owned a lot of generation but had a ton of customer demand, so they underbid their capacity to distort the price and save money on consumer purchases. For accreditation - look up EFORd and ELCC will probably be changed in the future, so check out slice of day vs seasonal vs marginal and so on.

    35 min
  • Electricity Sector Changes since 2016

    Nuclear fusion, space-based solar, and other cool changes are on the horizon. But what has stayed the same over the past decade? This short reflection is the last episode of the show before I graduate with my masters focused on the electric power industry. 

    Timestamps:

    • 0:00-Intro
    • 00:30-Nuclear Fusion vs SMRs
    • 01:30-Natural Hydrogen
    • 02:15-Solar Power From Space
    • 03:50-Selling Electricity Directly to your Neighbors
    • 05:30-AI challenges are new but also old
    • 07:30-Transmission
    • 08:15-Markets and Resilience
    • 09:15-Concluding Thoughts
    • 11:00-Secret Hidden Extras


    Let me know how the electricity sector has changed since you started following/working/studying the sector. Episode comments are enabled on Spotify or find me on Twitter or Bluesky at https://bsky.app/profile/backonthegrid.bsky.social


    Extras referenced at the end:

    • My paper on a small part of PJM’s Capacity Market
    • Building Energy Paper
    13 min
  • EPSA Lawsuit and Demand Response Market Manipulation

    Is Demand Response a wholesale electricity sale? Not really under the FPA. But should it allowed to bid into wholesale markets? This week we'll explore EPSA, a supreme court case that decided federal authority over DR participating in wholesale electricity markets.

    Background to start, but for juicy parts on EPSA, skip to Scalia's dissent around 5 mins into this episode. Market manipulation discussed at 14 mins. Bigger summary at 16:30. Timestamps below.

    Topics covered include: legal no man's land for fed vs state authority, should DR receive full LMP, and how can companies manipulate their demand response payments? Also covers FERC Orders 719 and 745.

    Timestamps:

    • 00:00-Intro
    • 03:00-Wholesale Markets as Drug Dealers
    • 04:30-Who is EPSA?
    • 5:00-EPSA Dissent from Scalia
    • 07:25-Legal Precedents
    • 12:15-EPSA Summary
    • 12:50-LMP minus G (doesn't make sense!)
    • 14:00-DR Market Manipulation Example
    • 16:30-Wholesale DR the last 20 Years
    • Sources:

      1. Demand Response Market Manipulation Case in MISO (2024): ⁠https://www.utilitydive.com/news/nipsco-linde-ferc-miso-demand-response-settlement/703888/⁠
      2. EPSA Supreme Court Case full PDF (2016) ⁠https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/577/14-840/case.pdf⁠
      3. Shoutout to the random bus that drove by during the opening seconds of my intro
      4. 19 min
      5. Power Plant Retirements and Demand Response

        Should power plants be allowed to retire whenever they want? And what the heck is demand response--wholesale, retail, or something else?

        This episode will start exploring reliability must run (RMR) power plant designations and touch on the Sierra Club's lawsuit focused on two coal power plants receiving RMR payments while not having their supply included in PJM's capacity market. Also, is the grid just a big sandwich shop when it comes to demand response? Tune in for a day ahead market vs real time showdown.

        Sources:

        (1) https://www.utilitydive.com/news/pjm-reliability-must-run-rmr-capacity-auction-ferc-complaint/728398/

        (2) https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/energy-primer-2020_0.pdf


        Timestamps:

        • 00:30-Reliability Must Run (RMR) Power Plants
        • 09:15-Demand Response (DR)
        • 10:30-Electricity Markets as a sandwich shop
        • 15:00-Futures vs Spot Market for DR
        • 17 min
        • Grid Scale Battery Storage

          If the grid was Goldilocks, what type of battery would it want? This episode is a bit denser than usual and explores some basic differences between flow, iron-air, and lithium ion batteries; plus the basics of how batteries participate in markets. Also covers some technical stuff towards the end. Listen at your own peril--you may become a flow stan.

          Timestamps:

          • 00:00-Intro
          • 01:00-What Type of Energy Storage is Best?
          • 02:23-Long Duration Storage vs Short Duration Storage
          • 04:00-Flow Batteries
          • 05:50-Issues with Flow Batteries
          • 08:00-What is Grid Scale Storage Used For?
          • 10:25-How are batteries regulated? Who knows!
          • 11:30-Lithium Ion Batteries for the Grid
          • 12:31-Technical Notes
          • 15:00-Salton Sea
          • 15:50-Future BESS
          • References:

            • CAISO Report on Battery Storage Market Participation https://www.caiso.com/documents/2023-special-report-on-battery-storage-jul-16-2024.pdf
            • Redox Flow vs Li-ion Batteries https://energy.sandia.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/6_Wittman_Reed_SNL_WIPSC_Session5_6-23-21.pdf
            • 2024 EIA Update On Grid-Scale Battery Use https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=62405
            • Nanoparticle Flow Batteries - https://spectrum.ieee.org/flow-battery-2666672335
            • Form Energy Specs - https://formenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Form-Energy-Navigating-the-Pacific-Northwest-Energy-Challenges-06.26.2024-1.pdf
            • 17 min
            • Oil for Electric Power

              When someone mentions oil, you probably think of cars, ships, planes, or plastic. But what about electric power? This episode explores where and why oil is used for electricity in the United States through a few case studies and will get you up to speed on some basic industry terms.

              Timestamps:

              • 0:00-Intro
              • 01:00-What States Use Oil for Electric Power?
              • 04:30-Petroleum Basics
              • 07:00-Crude Oil Characteristics
              • 08:15-Oil for Electric Power
              • 09:15-New York Oil for Electricity
              • 10:00-Issues with Oil for Power
              • 12:00-EIA Data Trends
              • Sources:

                • Fossil Fuel Consumption for Electricity Generation by Year, Industry Type and State (EIA-906, EIA-920, and EIA-923) -
                • https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/state/
                • Miranda Wilson, E&E News, New England clean energy goals slam into oil reality (January 18, 2023)
                • PSE Health Energy, MA Peaker Power Plants (May, 2020)
                • Potomac Economics, 2023 State of the Market Report for the New York ISO Markets, (May 2024)
                • New York City Council, Council Votes to Expedite
                • Phasing Out Fuel Oil Grade No. 4 in Boilers Across the City, Resulting in Cleaner Air, Especially in Environmental Justice Communities (February 2023)
                • EIA, ⁠Heating oil explained⁠
                • 15 min
                • Energy System Lock-In

                  If someone asked you why it’s so hard to decarbonize the electricity sector, what would you say? Maybe you think we haven’t found the right combination of technologies yet. Maybe you’d argue that we lack the political will to change. Or maybe it’s the economic or social sides of the equation. How about all of the above?

                  This episodes explores several influential papers on technological lock-in, with a special focus on nuclear, cars, learning by doing, and network effects.

                  Works referenced:

                  • Gregory Unruh, Understanding carbon lock-in (2000) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301421500000707
                  • Robin Cowen, Nuclear Power Reactors: A Study in
                  • Technological Lock-in (1990) https://www.jstor.org/stable/2122817
                  • Richard Perkins, Technological “lock-in” (2003) https://www.isecoeco.org/pdf/techlkin.pdf
                  • Arrow, The Economic Implications of Learning by Doing, 1962: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2295952
                  • Terraform Industries - https://terraformindustries.com/
                  • NET Power - https://netpower.com/
                  • Timestamps:

                    • 00:00-Intro
                    • 01:00-Technological Lock-in
                    • 01:30-Carbon Lock-in (Gregory Unruh, 2000)
                    • 02:20-Natural Gas Concerns
                    • 03:00-Terraform Industries & Net Power
                    • 03:35-Nuclear PWR Lock-In (Robin Cowen, 1990)
                    • 05:20-Early Nuclear Policy and Subsidy Help
                    • 07:00-Learning by Doing for Nuclear
                    • 07:20-Steam Cars vs Gas vs Electric
                    • 08:30-HORSES
                    • 09:14-Network Effects (Perkins, 2003)
                    • 10:25-Learning by Doing (Kenneth Arrow, 1962)
                    • 14:00-Future of Energy Systems
                    • 16:00-Lock In
                    • 17 min
                    • U.S. Electricity Markets Overview

                      This podcast is a primer on electricity markets in the United States for people who don’t have time to read 200 page reports (though you totally should). We'll start with what's on your bill, look at wholesale auctions for electricity + bilateral trading, and wrap with some market issues like fraud, supply chains, and stranded assets.

                      Recommended reading to add wrinkles to your brain: https://www.monitoringanalytics.com/reports/PJM_State_of_the_Market/2024/2024q2-som-pjm-sec3.pdf

                      Timestamps:

                      • 00:00-Intro
                      • 00:38-Structure of the episode
                      • 01:10-T&D Part of Bill
                      • 01:45-Energy Part of Your Bill
                      • 02:20-Who Sells Power?
                      • 03:50-Example of a Bilateral Trade
                      • 05:30-Wholesale Electricity Auctions: ISO/RTOs
                      • 07:50-Nodal Pricing
                      • 08:30-Market Power Example
                      • 09:30-Market Fraud
                      • 10:46-Public Utility Commissions
                      • 12:17-Power Capacity & Ancillary Service Markets
                      • 13:28-Power vs Energy; MW vs MWh
                      • 14:00-Issues with Current Markets
                      • 16:00-Rider Chargers on Your Bill
                      • 18:00-Rooftop Solar vs Average Market Prices
                      • 20:00-Future Reading: INCs, DECs, UTCs, FTRs
                      • 22 min
                      • Big Tech: Renewable Energy Champion or Climate Pariah

                        Data center growth, REC accounting concerns, and behind-the-meter nuclear contracts. What the heck is going on with big tech companies and carbon emissions these days?

                        Works Referenced – check em’ out!

                        Rhodium Group, Taking Stock 2024: US Energy and Emissions Outlook, July 2024, https://rhg.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Taking-Stock-2024_US-Energy-and-Emissions-Outlook.pdf

                        Princeton REPEAT Lab, Climate Progress 2024: REPEAT

                        Project's Annual U.S. Emissions Pathways Update, August 2024, https://zenodo.org/records/13345138

                        Goldman Sachs, AI is poised to drive 160% increase in data center power demand, May 2024, https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/articles/AI-poised-to-drive-160-increase-in-power-demand

                        Bloomberg, AI Is Already Wreaking Havoc on Global Power Systems, June 2024, https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-ai-data-centers-power-grids/

                        Financial Times, Big Tech’s bid to rewrite the rules on

                        net zero (August 2024), https://www.ft.com/content/2d6fc319-2165-42fb-8de1-0edf1d765be3

                        Utility Dive, Talen Energy defends interconnection

                        agreement for Amazon data center at nuclear plant (June 2024), https://www.utilitydive.com/news/talen-amazon-data-center-interconnection-agreement-nuclear-pjm-aep-exelon/720139/

                        Katie Tarasov, CNBC, Generative AI requires massive

                        amounts of power and water, and the aging U.S. grid can’t handle the load (July
                        2024), https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/28/how-the-massive-power-draw-of-generative-ai-is-overtaxing-our-grid.html

                        Timestamps:

                        • 00:00–Data Center Growth
                        • 01:55–Data Center Installs Fossil Fuel Plant
                        • 2:50–Talen AWS Nuclear Deal in Pennsylvania
                        • 3:30–Positive News! Ok No.
                        • 3:40–Greenwashing with RECs
                        • 4:58–Power Offtake Agreements
                        • 6:20–Do Companies Even Care About Emissions?
                        • 6:48–In Defense of RECs
                        • 7:50–Thought Experiment: Marginal Benefit of 1 MWh
                        • renewable energy
                        • 8:50–Solar vs Solar: Individual Project Lifecycle
                        • Emissions
                        • 9:30–RECs seem wrong! But probably still useful
                        • 10:00–Google’s Solution
                        • 10:21–Verdict
                        • 11:15–Long-term power contracts
                        • 13 min
                        • Chevron Deference and the Future of Solar QFs

                          The Supreme Court eliminating Chevron deference has been made out to be a huge deal. But what is it exactly and who cares? Today we’ll take a look at the original oil refinery case that created Chevron deference in the 1980s, the fishing observer case that eliminated it last month, and some practical implications for our energy system – including a FERC ruling that may decide the future of many solar plus storage projects.

                          Sources and recommended reading:

                          • Congressional Summary of 1977 Amendment to Clean Air Act
                          • Broadview Solar Brief, Montana Solar Plus Storage Facility
                          • Michigan Law Review: Chevron in the Circuit Courts (2017)
                          • Southern Gas Association, Breaking News: Overturned Chevron Deference (June 2024)
                          • NYT Justices Limit Power of Federal Agencies, Imperiling an Array of Regulations (June 2024)
                          • Timestamps:

                            • 00:00-Introduction
                            • 01:00-Historical Context
                            • 01:55-EPA Bubble Theory
                            • 2:50-NRDC Lawsuit
                            • 3:20-Two Part Test for Chevron Deference
                            • 4:40-Chevron Deference Throughout the Years
                            • 7:40-The Elimination of Chevron Deference: Loper Bright
                            • 9:00-Energy & Climate Rule Impacts of Chevron Going Away
                            • 9:37-Solar Plus Storage Issues in Montana – PURPA
                            • 12:30-Courts before Chevron Deference
                            • 13:00-Does Deference Even Matter?
                            • 14:15-Chevron Deference May be Back One Day
                            • 15 min

                            About Back On The Grid

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                            How does the grid work? What are the barriers to making it cleaner? And who has the power to decide? Tune in each week to hear about tech, markets, and policy related to the U.S. electricity sector.