Doula That!

Backup Doulas, Raising Funds, Infant Loss Awareness, Oh My!


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·      Doula skills and backup support during the holiday season. 0:08

o  Ravae Sinclair and Denise Both share what's in their cups during a podcast episode.

o  Doulas seek backup support during holiday season and beyond.

·      Doula backup and communication. 3:43

o  Doula discusses importance of having a backup doula for support during birth.

o  Doula shares experiences with clients and other doulas, emphasizing importance of clear communication and contracts.

·      Backup doulas and their importance in childbirth. 7:19

o  Backup doula should vet clients and lawyers, develop go-twos for support.

o  Ravae & Denise discuss strategies for finding backup doulas and reducing anxiety for clients.

o  Offer virtual doula services if there are limited in-person matches for a family's preferences.

o  Establish a backup doula contract with a written agreement to avoid confusion and ensure fair compensation.

·      Backup doulas for birth workers during pandemic. 13:43

o  Ravae & Denise discuss importance of having a backup doula for client support and self-care.

o  Ravae suggests adapting to pandemic by disclosing limited experience, undergirding with backup support.

·      Ethics in doula work and backup doulas. 16:51

o  Denise discovers $1,000 discrepancy in payment for supporting client through prodromal labor.

o  Denise supports client through multiple prodromal births, totaling 3-4 days.

o  Ravae warns against overextending oneself as a doula, risking burnout and compromising quality of care.

o  Denise highlights the importance of backup support and fair compensation for doulas, citing a specific example of a Black doula taking advantage of a less experienced doula.

·      Doula backup support during long labors. 22:33

o  Denise discusses managing long labors without a backup doula, and the potential use of an honorarium for backup support.

o  Ravae discusses her use of backup doulas for support during long labor.

·      Race and representation in birth work organizations. 26:07

o  Ravae highlights the trend of white-led organizations using BIPOC faces without proper representation or credit.

o  Ravae notices a trend of Black faces in corporate messaging and podcasting, while Denise shares their experiences as a Black person in the US, highlighting the exhaustion of constantly advocating for equity and inclusion.

o  Denise’s podcast on Lamaze and Bradley methods was popular, but they stepped back due to lack of diversity in the organization and its teaching materials.

o  Denise criticizes Lamaze for not doing enough for Black birth workers, including revoking certifications of some test takers.

·      Image usage and ownership in a nonprofit organization. 32:51

o  Ravae Sinclair discusses her experience with DONA International, including being dismissed from the board with no explanation and her image still being used without permission.

o  Ravae shares her experience of being the first Black president of the organization in its history, and the ongoing issue of image usage without permission.

·      Image rights and usage for birth workers. 35:05

o  Ravae & Denise discuss barriers to certification for Black birth workers, with one speaker criticizing low standards for these professionals.

o  Ravae emphasizes the importance of controlling one's image and likeness, especially when collaborating with others for business purposes.

o  Ravae shares a personal experience of dealing with the misuse of an image by an organization, highlighting the need for agreements to manage future usage.

·      Race, leadership, and the future of black birth workers. 39:47

o  Denise Bolds shares their experience of shutting down a podcast due to a falling out with a co-host, highlighting the importance of aligning with the right people.

o  Denise and Ravae discuss trends in the birth world, including the challenge of controlling one's image and aligning with organizations that align with their values.

·      GoFundMe campaigns and personal finances. 42:34

o  Ravae expresses frustration with GoFundMe campaigns for personal expenses, such as a van or moving costs, and feels that it's inappropriate to ask for money without proper justification.

o  Denise shares their own experience with GoFundMe campaigns and acknowledges that it can be a generational difference in how people approach financial support.

o  Denise shares their experience as a doula and how they raised money for their business by selling personal belongings and hosting a yard sale.

o  Ravae and Denise discuss the shift towards relying more on online platforms like GoFundMe for fundraising, rather than traditional methods like hosting events or selling items.

·      Financial support and generational differences. 47:48

o  Ravae recognizes increased demand for doula services due to financial uncertainty and seeks to address it through teaching a class.

o  Ravae & Denise discuss differences in generational attitudes towards gratitude and connection in giving and receiving.

·      Financial management and self-improvement for birth workers. 51:18

o  Denise Bolds shares personal experiences of financial struggles as a single mom, highlighting the need for support and resources.

o  Ravae observes that there is a lack of posts seeking financial knowledge or support, and suggests a paradigm shift towards equal exchange.

o  Denise shares their personal experience as a black single mom and how they overcame financial struggles through sacrifice and leverage.

o  Denise references Alex Hammadi, a successful YouTuber and entrepreneur, as an example of how making sacrifices can lead to financial success.

o  Successful entrepreneurs share their financial management strategies and the sacrifices they made to reach their goals.

·      Financial literacy and relationships with money among birth workers. 58:07

o  Denise Bolds reflects on generational differences in approach to birth work, highlighting the need for managing expectations and different perspectives.

o  Denise emphasizes the importance of having a positive relationship with money, cultivating it, and respecting it.

o  Ravae Sinclair agrees and acknowledges that the question of one's relationship with money is important, but admits they still don't have a clear answer themselves.

·      Infant loss awareness and healing for birth workers. 1:01:41

o  Doula overcomes loss to welcome new baby, finding hope and healing through her experience.

o  Denise Bolds shares personal experience with miscarriage and stillbirth to emphasize importance of support for families and birth workers.

o  Doula work involves more than just physical support, including emotional and spiritual care for families.

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Links to Resources:

Birth Worker Contract Templates: www.natlbirthpostpartumpros.com/shop

Alex Hammadi, Diary of a CEO (YouTube): @TheDiaryOfACEO

Doula That! Podcast- [email protected] and doulathatpodcast.com

Birth Worker Business Booster course

Black Birth Worker Wellness Collective on Facebook

Sweet Sleep Junebug

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How to find us:

Ravae Sinclair @birthconnections and natlbirthpostpartumpros

Denise Bolds @BoldDoula and @blackwomendovbac

Website: www.doulathatpodcast.com

IG:@doulathatpodcast

Platforms: Apple, Spotify, Stitcher & Google

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