For 10 weeks we've had our guests say the growth of rugby starts with the kids - now we sit down with two guys who are making that happen. Union County (NJ) is one of the most successful youth flag and tackle programs in the country. Hear John McElroy and Owain Rees tell us about the club's roots and why it's been so successful.

After a gentle disclaimer about loving their players as people, Clarence and Alex bring the heat about the importance of winning on the field. We've covered building things the right way - but at the end of the day winning attracts the resources and support needed to make your program sustainable. 

Classic dude Brad Naughton joins Clarence and Alex in the backyard for one of our most fun roundtables yet. We cover serious and light topics, including leadership and vision, plus fly fishing, drive in movies and road tripping. Lots of laughs and good stories too - pull up a chair and enjoy!

Kevin McCorry is an American rugby story. From backup on his high school team, to all-time leading scorer at St. Bonaventure, to now playing a major role in the success of Rugby ATL, McCorry has evolved right along with the American game itself. Join the backyard crew as McCorry talks about taking that leap of faith, and making his rugby dreams come true.

In the second episode of our series on program building, Clarence and Alex talk about player development, on and off the field. "You win with people," and that is at the heart of this episode. Right now culture is a popular topic, but we also double down on the importance of being precise when coaching each area of the game, giving athletes the best chance to succeed. 

On this week's backyard rountable we welcome Rachel Noone - former St. Bonaventure women's rugby captain, current Buffalo fly half, and dog mom to Quincy the Aussie. We talk about growing the women's game, creativity (when it comes to Halloween costumes), and some questionable first-game decisions. 

Clarence and Alex sit down with Josh Macy, head coach at Lindenwood University, to hear how he's found success while remaining humble and driven. From getting coaching reps out of the spotlight, to competing everyday in practice, Coach Macy knows how to get the most out of his teams. A must listen for every coach who wants to learn from the best.

It's one thing to win a game, or even have a winning season. But establishing a winning program over the years takes a lot of moving parts. In the first of three episodes on program building, Clarence and Alex discuss all the people and departments that need to come together at a college to establish long-term success. With a focus on embodying the school and representing your club on and off the field, the crew talks about step one on the journey to success. 

This week's roundtable is high-energy as we welcome Bob Owens to the show. Founder and championship retriever trainer with Lone Duck Outfitters & Kennels, Bob is passionate about his rugby. The crew covers everything from taking risks on the field and in business, to Bob's all-dog XV.

We take a pause this Friday to thank our listeners for all their support, and look ahead to our next series of deep dives and interviews. We'll be getting into program building and technical skills in August and beyond. Be sure to send feedback and questions to Backyard Rugby Podcast on Facebook, and @backyard_rugby on Twitter.