In this episode, Julian and Langdon delve into the nuances of effective risk management and how organizations often focus too much on incident management after the fact. They discuss the importance of moving beyond just compliance and governance, exploring the concept of a proactive learning culture. The duo highlights the critical need to assess real risks, like preventing serious injuries and fatalities, rather than just ticking boxes for minor safety protocols. Emphasizing the importance of holistic job safety analysis, they challenge the conventional approaches and explore what the next phase of health and safety management should look like.