2023’s BARBIE, directed by Greta Gerwig (who also co-wrote the film), is based on the long-running and popular doll line from Mattel. In the film Barbie (Margot Robbie) has to travel from Barbieland to the real world after suffering an existential crisis. And someone on Venice Beach has a skateboard.

Kevin and Mike are joined by children's book author Phaea Crede to discuss the film, the toy, patriarchy, dream ballets, ninja turtles, why skateboarders look down their collective noses at in-line skates, Todd Haynes' Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story, Pee-Wee Herman, and so, so much more.

You can check out Phaea's great books at www.phaeacrede.com

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