In this conversation, Jason and BonnieRuth Rolf sit down with Kimberly Galindo, LPC-S, CST—a Licensed Professional Counselor Supervisor, EMDR Certified Therapist, Certified Sex Therapist, Consultant in Training, and Leadership & Relationship Coach. Together, they explore how navigating infertility, loss, and childlessness often feels like a private and isolating journey.

The Rolf’s share from their own experience how inviting trusted counselors into their story not only helped them stay married but also allowed their relationship to flourish in the midst of grief and unmet expectations. Kimberly brings insight into what it looks like to find the right counselor, debunks common myths around therapy, and reminds us that counseling is not just about “fixing problems,” but about investing in a marriage that is resilient and thriving for the long game.

This episode speaks hope into places that may feel barren, offering practical tools, encouragement, and the reminder that we don’t have to walk this road alone.

Remember no matter the barren places in our lives we do not have to live broken. 

In this deeply vulnerable conversation, Pastors Myles & Dee MacCloskey join the Rolf’s to talk about the complicated intersection of grief, faith, marriage, and healing.

They open up about their journey through unexpected loss, secondary infertility, and miscarriage—and how it tested their marriage, their hearts, and their hope.

But this episode isn’t just about pain. It’s about making space for questions, grace, and God’s faithfulness—even when the road feels long and when we feel lost, God's love always finds us.

About the guests:

In this heartfelt and honest episode, Jason and BonnieRuth share their personal story—24 years of marriage, 19 of those spent navigating infertility, pregnancy loss, and ultimately, childlessness. They open up about the unexpected lessons, the deep pain, and the surprising growth they experienced along the way.

🎙 NEW EPISODE: Keith & Taryn – Love, Loss & the Layers Between 💔➡️💞

Keith and Taryn met in college and have been married since 2015. Their journey includes the joys of raising two beautiful children—and the deep heartbreak of three miscarriages and a season of secondary infertility.

In this powerful episode of Barren Not Broken, they invite us into their story with rare vulnerability. Together, they open up about:

🔸 The emotional toll of secondhand infertility

Whether you’re in the thick of it or walking alongside someone who is, this episode will help you feel seen, understood, and never alone.

In this heartfelt and honest conversation, Caitlyn Baten shares her journey through infertility and how it intersects with her deep passion for foster care and adoption. With a heart rooted in justice and mercy, Caitlyn opens up about what it means to live in the tension—longing for children of her own while being deeply invested in the lives of vulnerable children around the world. She gently challenges the idea that adoption is a “solution” for infertility and speaks with clarity and compassion about how the Church can better support both. Her story is one of grace, grit, and unwavering hope.

In this powerful and heartfelt episode, our Host Jason and Bonnie Ruth sit down with Mark and Rachel, lead pastors of The Bridge Church in Chino, CA, both are communicators of real hope and healing. Rachel, also is the author of Miscarried Hope and the founder of Hope Again Collective a jewelry line that gives back to moms who have experienced pregnancy loss. In this episode she shares alongside her husband Mark as they open up about the raw, unfiltered journey of walking through miscarriage — not just as individuals, but as a couple, and as leaders of a church community.

A Doctor’s Perspective how couples can approach decision making, mindset, next steps while navigating faith. 

This was a powerful conversation that we hope encourages and inspires you. 

Dr. Collins is Board Certified Reproductive Endocrinologist at Center for Reproductive Endocrinology

The Rolfs have grown to respect him, his faith and practice greatly. 

Thank you to Twelve 12 ministries for allowing us to share this interview from their October 2024 event. We are grateful for our friendship with this ministry and Dr. Collins

Remember no matter the barren places in our lives we do not have to live broken. 

In this episode we get the opportunity to talk with Chris and Megan Rea of No Small Life & Make Love Work,  as they share their journey of navigating infertility and childlessness not by choice, within their marriage and faith community. We will hear how they were able to experience loss while developing a deeper faith but also some of the boundaries they had to create within their community in order to walk through this time in a more healthy way. They remind us that they may be childless but they are not purposeless. Be sure to visit them at nosmalllife.me and makelovework.me for more about their story and for resources if you are walking through this journey as well!

In this first episode of the newest Barren Not Broken Podcast season you will hear from our founders Jason and BonnieRuth Rolf. They will guide us through a conversation centered around "Stepping Forward Together in Hope". They reflect on the challenges of the past year and embrace the possibilities of a new one. They dive deep into the journey of healing and resilience, while giving  practical tools with the purpose to encourage couples facing infertility, loss, or childlessness not by choice. This episode will leave you inspired and remind us that, no matter the barren places in our lives, we do not have to live broken.