In this conversation, Eric Bell speaks with Nick Kruse, CEO of GPC Infrastructure, about the evolving landscape of power generation for data centers. They discuss the importance of behind the meter solutions, the challenges posed by supply chain issues, and the implications of Texas SB6 on data center operations. Nick shares insights on site selection, gas supply, and the impact of non-attainment zones on power generation. The discussion also touches on innovative solutions for managing data center loads and debunks common myths about natural gas generation.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction

01:53 Meet Nick Kruse in 60 seconds

06:42 Understanding Behind the Meter Power Generation

10:23 GPC Infrastructure: Company Overview and Operations

14:44 Data Center Power Solutions and Backup Systems

18:46 Project Sizes and Equipment Preferences

22:43 Supply Chain Challenges in Power Generation

26:25 Site Selection for Self-Generation

30:27 Navigating Gas Supply and Pipeline Access

34:23 Non-Attainment Zones and Their Impact

38:35 Texas SB6: Implications for Data Centers

42:31 Innovative Solutions for Data Center Load Management

46:19 Myths About Natural Gas and Self-Generation

50:25 Data Center War Stories and Lessons Learned

54:21 3D Printing: A Useful Hobby and Practical Applications

58:07 Conclusion and Contact Information

In this thought-provoking episode of Baxtel’s Meet Me Room podcast, we sit down with Pete Sacco, a seasoned entrepreneur and visionary whose journey spans data centers, AI, energy infrastructure, mysticism, and meditation. Pete shares how his 27-year career in the data center industry has evolved from engineering military-grade power supplies to founding PTS Data Center Solutions and, most recently, GrayWolf Data Centers. With unmatched clarity, he breaks down the future of AI infrastructure, decentralized power, and edge computing—while also revealing his deeply personal quest for inner peace and human connection. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the convergence of technology, energy, consciousness, and personal fulfillment.

Chapters

00:41 - Get to Know Pete Sacco in 60 Seconds

04:25 - From Engineer to Visionary CEO

08:15 - Angel Investing and the Carnegie Model

14:40 - Discovering Inner Peace Through Meditation

18:56 - The Evolution of PTS and Launch of GrayWolf

27:48 - AI, Edge Compute, and Future Data Center Topology

32:45 - The Inspiration Behind GrayWolf’s Name

35:54 - Extropic TPUs and the End of GPUs

54:17 - Data Center War Story

58:52 - Top Picks: Meditation and Inner Engineering

Data Center War Story

While auditing a Samsung data center, Pete flagged a dangerous fire risk in the power bus duct system. Fifteen years later, the exact scenario he warned about made international news.

Top Picks

Living in Bliss – Pete’s book on balancing outward success and inner peace. https://petesacco.com

Strategic Coach by Dan Sullivan – A business coaching system focused on unlocking individual potential. https://www.strategiccoach.com

How to Change Your Mind by Michael Pollan – Book and Netflix documentary exploring psychedelics and altered consciousness. https://www.netflix.com/title/80229847

Extropic TPUs – Thermodynamic processors expected to revolutionize AI compute with 10,000x energy efficiency. https://extropic.ai

Where to Find Pete Sacco Guest: Pete Sacco Personal Website: https://petesacco.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/petersacco/

GrayWolf Data Centers: https://graywolfdatacenters.com

Grid Seven Energy: https://gridsevenenergy.com

InTuva Data Center Design: https://intuva.solutions

PTS Data Center Solutions: https://ptsdcs.com

Mark Jobson is a global marketing executive known for driving measurable growth through strategic leadership across digital, product, brand, and analytics. With over a decade of experience, he has played a pivotal role in scaling PE-backed SaaS companies and building global brands in the data center and cloud services sectors. His marketing initiatives have generated more than $1 billion in pipeline, supported IPO readiness, and increased enterprise value across high-growth organizations.

Mark has led go-to-market efforts across 25+ international markets, contributing up to 80% of new net business through modern ABM, product marketing, and demand generation strategies. He has built nine complete Martech stacks—including Salesforce, Eloqua, Marketo, and ZoomInfo—and integrated AI tools such as ChatGPT, Phrasee, and Fireflies to streamline operations. With a strong foundation in both data and creativity, he has also driven $2 billion in successful M&A marketing integrations. Mark thrives at the intersection of insight, innovation, and execution, building high-performance marketing engines that deliver lasting impact.

Jon Eaves is a veteran data centre builder, an edge evangelist, and the Founder & CEO of the industry’s fastest-growing edge data centre company.

Drawing on more than 30 years of experience building data centres, Jon launched Edge Centres with a single test site in rural Australia. In under two years, he scaled the company to over 20 cutting-edge facilities across more than seven markets throughout APAC and beyond — and he’s only just getting started.

Adam Gibson is a specialist in Data Centres and has been working in the industry for 17 years on Design, Operation and Management in varied Executive, C-Suite and board positions. Alongside this skilled knowledge Adam's ability to design, develop Fibre Optic Network and Network Technology services has been proven a strong play in ANZ with multiple executive roles. With a global understanding of Data Centres and enabling partnerships, Adam’s driven passion for Digital Infrastructure, which includes, AI, Quantum Network and Quantum Computing, with new Technology and Data profiles has proven the ability to be a presenter, panellist and speaker at events globally. Being the next generation of Digital Professionals, Adam has started to seek further into the industry to support and create new opportunities to enhance the next Technology Revolution.

Chris Grundemann is a strategic technology leader dedicated to driving business transformation through innovative networking and automation strategies. As Executive Advisor, Network Infrastructure Strategy at Khadga Consulting, he helps organizations unlock the full potential of their network infrastructure through technological and cultural transformation. With 8 patents, two books, and extensive industry contributions, Chris is a recognized expert in interconnection, automation, and NetDevOps. A co-founder of the Network Automation Forum and Chair of OIX, he advises technology executives on modernizing network operations and implementing strategic organizational designs that support successful network automation adoption. A global speaker and thought leader, Chris brings deep expertise in aligning technology with business objectives.

Welcome to the Meet Me Room Podcast, where we uncover the cloud and the data center.