Fixed + Floating - The Credit Podcast

BDCs Deep Dive: Seaport's John Giordano on Redemptions, PIK Risks & BlackRock Marks


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BANKS FLED - BDCs TOOK OVER: Why Private Credit Exploded to $534B


Josef Pschorn interviews John Giordano (Seaport Global Co-Head Credit Research) on BDCs' 15-year explosion from $0 → $534B - and whether BlackRock TCP markdowns + Blue Owl 18% redemptions represent systemic risk.


Born from the Small Business Act, these tax pass-throughs exploded from $0 to $534B in 15 years as banks retreated.

The mechanics:

  • 89% first-lien, 5.6x leverage targeting $200M EBITDA companies
  • Perpetuals ($277B AUM): Monthly dividends, 5% quarterly gates—half the market
  • PIK breakdown: 7.55% public vs 3.93% perpetuals. "Play with PIK... but pay the piper"
  • Granularity protects: 50-60 loans = "death by 1K cuts," not blowups

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Recorded: 04.02.2026


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Fixed + Floating - The Credit PodcastBy Josef Pschorn