Karen: I would say look for the positive in your life and as you're looking for the positive reach out and grab a hand for support because we can do this together.

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Carl: Hello this is Carl Wagner with Beat Cancer and I have here one of our wonderful coaches Karen Holmes and I’m going to let her talk to you about her journey with cancer and how she got to come to us and become a cancer coach. With that, Karen Holmes.

Karen: Hi, thank you, Carl It's wonderful to be here.

Carl: Welcome.

Karen: I mean that with a full heart and gratitude because being alive and being vital and full of energy is the message that I want to convey to all of the people who are experiencing cancer or who have experienced cancer as I did. It's a journey and it's a wonderful time in my life, to be able to come back and to coach other people during their cancer journey as they heal and recover from cancer. I came to being a cancer coach after I experienced inflammatory breast cancer, and that was back in 2011. I’ve been on this recovery journey for a long time, I feel very happy that I’m here and the journey that I have been on started when I found out that I had obviously breast cancer.

I was told that I was going to get chemotherapy, I was going to have surgery, and I was going to have radiation.  And all of that seemed rather intimidating, and I did go through all of that. But during that time period, I did a lot of research. I did a lot of reading about the other holistic practices that would be helpful, that would support me through my cancer recovery. And for me, those were the most important steps that I could take. That I could be my own cancer advocate.  Although, I didn't know anything about cancer coaches at the time and so I developed some of the strategies that I’ve learned and I’ve read about in the beat cancer dot org program. And so, that all comes around when I finished my medical treatments, and I’ll say that they cured me, and that's in my story. That I became this...okay you're done with all the treatments, you're done with the radiation fine we'll see you in six months. Then it was now, what do I do?

That now what do I do, came to me as dance. I knew that food and movement were the best solutions to getting my vitality back.  So, I’ll say that dance brought me back to life, and that's where my recovery journey really begins because I knew that I had to change my lifestyle. I knew that I wanted to become somebody who was alive and vibrant and not just somebody who was sitting around wondering what to do next. For me, the dance enlightened my life in fact, I tell people I retired from my job and I flew to Maui and I danced. And that's true, and I came home from Maui and I didn't go back to work. I didn't go back to the career that I’d had for 32 years. Instead, I began this journey of finding out what I wanted to do next and how I could support particularly other women in their breast cancer journey and that's where my focus is. And so, I became a dance teacher facilitator. I facilitate something called Azul, which is a conscious movement dance. now you're going to ask me, what is Azul?

Carl: What is Azul?

Karen:  Conscious dance is really awakening one's heart and awakening what's inside of you. Through the dance, I was able to embody all of the feelings that Ii was going through. It's somewhat, and I've talked to other women they agree. It's somewhat like PTSD, only for cancer patients, where you figure out that wow, I've gone through all my treatments, I'm supposed to be okay and now I realize what I’ve gone through and what I need to do to change. Concurrently, I changed my eating habits and I did a lot of internal work to figure out where my path was going to go. That path led me to cancer coaching and that's where I am today. To really believe in the support for other women.  I want to be able to support other women in their recovery.  I think it's really important to make that connection one-on-one.  That's what really keeps us alive, that's what motivates us, inspires us to become all that we can be. That once we've gone through this cancer treatment, we have the opportunity to change our lives.

I tell people breast cancer was the worst thing and the best thing that ever happened to me. It was the worst thing because I don't wish it on anybody. It's not a pleasant journey, it can be full of suffering and angst.  And yet, what it gave me was gratitude for my life. It gave me the opportunity to change, reach out to people, to become somebody alive, somebody who can dance her way into freedom of all possibilities and ways of being.

Before I logged on to do this interview, I danced for an hour. It gave me that insight as to where I wanted to go and what I wanted to say. That’s where I am today. Here I am as a cancer coach. I've spent the past few months clarifying my vision. When I was going through my cancer treatments, they say have a positive vision, so my positive vision at the time was running down the coast of the Pacific Ocean. I was having a new little grandson at the time and with my hair in a ponytail so my hair would be grown and so that was the vision. The vision that I have created now, is one of a three-part vision that I created in something called pillars of healing and that's become my offering to breast cancer and cancer patients, and women who are recovering from cancer.

So, in the pillars of healing, I offer three opportunities and the first one is a one-on-one cancer coach. Call me up, text me, send me an email, and I will do a free discovery call with you that we can see what it is you as an individual need. I think of you as my...I have created Lily; I have a blog on my website that lily is the person that I like to talk to. And for her I say, I offer you that one-on-one individual assistance, guidance, I will listen and we can move forward together complementing whatever medical treatment you prefer to take. So, that's the one-on-one coaching. The other two other pieces...and the second pillar is really the dance, and offering dance classes and opportunities for women experiencing cancer. The kind of dance that I do, which is Azul, is very freeing. It can be done by anybody and I say anybody regardless of one's physical attributes, because it's something that you bring from inside.

Azul is not something that you're going to have choreographed steps. It's I play music and I facilitate and you move your body to whatever comes up. You listen to your body and say oh I’m going to allow this particular movement or something comes up and you'll say I understand where I’m going now.  So, that movement which I believe is critical to our healthy well-being, it really is. If you had to ask me what are the three things that would be movement and what we put in our bodies, food, and some kind of connection with...that I want to say spiritual or guidance through meditation or whatever you choose to take. That those are the three big things that are going to heal us. And that leads me to the third pillar.

The third pillar is one where I am available to do presentations in person at some point or online for people on A how to prevent cancer or what are some of the things that you can do if you are experiencing cancer or somebody you know and love. Because I believe that all of us have known someone who has had a cancer journey.  So those are the three pillars. The one-on-one consultation. the dancing opportunities through Azul and the third one is I am available to give presentations to your organization, to your group, to your meeting, it can be a short one, it can be a fairly lengthy one, and it's really geared to what the organization or your group needs and wants. On my website which is pillars of healing dot org, I give a list of five things but I’m very happy to tailor any kind of presentation using the things that I believe are truly needed and wanted and beneficial to people who experience cancer. So, that in short, is really what pillars of healing are all about.

Carl: Well there's a lot to unpack there, but I want to say congratulations first of all for sharing your journey and also getting through from what I was reading a 45 chance of healing and basically going through all the big three, the surgery, the chemotherapy, and radiation and going through all the hardships that go along with that losing your hair and just a fear to finding your life purpose and sharing with others I think it's wonderful. Thank you so much for all of that.

I always laughed when you talked about the Azul being something anybody could do because when I dance and I’m expressing myself you better stand back a little bit because you might get knocked over by accident. I’m not a good dancer so I was just trying to imagine that but that's wonderful. So, how long have you been a coach now?

Karen: It's coming up on a year.

Carl: Wow, terrific.

Karen: It’s coming up on a year, I do believe that the coach in me stems from...I was in education and had a really nice career and I am very available to listen to people. So, the coaching just falls into line with what I have done for a very long time and being able to help people from where they are to what they want to become and that's in essence what a coach does.

Carl: Yeah, so it's a natural progression for you and you have such a soothing voice, I have told you. I think even if people talk to you on the phone and didn't see you or could be an interactive person, I think just that calming voice and like you said I’m here to talk to and to listen. I think a lot of people are missing that, they don't get that in the traditional medical treatment. If they're going through traditional medical treatment, I think it's really great to take on a coach. Somebody who's there to listen to you and guide you, that's wonderful.

Karen: I think it's really important when I'm coaching or anybody is coaching, to listen to what the person who's going through the experience wants to do like. I became my own advocate because I studied and I read a lot and I looked at the research and if somebody had been there to guide me, and tell me that there was research and give me the information I would have been able to move forward may be faster and a little deeper. I truly believe that there's a lot of information out there, and a lot of research that's been done and I have to say...repeat myself, that I think it's the food piece is really important. I changed the way I ate, I began to dance, I began to look forward to life and if we look at the research what it shows us, is the people who are the survivors, or the people who move forward, are the ones who say okay I have cancer and I’m still going to be alive and well and full of energy.  It's that vitality...when I was going through my treatments, a dear friend said to me. She said, somebody, has to be on the winning side and I think that's you and so I had to believe that too.

And that hope and inspiration that I can give to other people is so important because I’ve been through...that I’ve walked those steps and I know that on a daily basis it’s not easy. But yet, there's hope. There's hope at the end as we graduate from the medical treatment. That we don't graduate from a way of life. What I clearly see with the holistic practices, is that there is good healthy living for anybody, for everybody, that's what I believe gives us that push to become more of who we can be.

Carl: And you're a wonderful role model for people that have been through it and have this great fear of recurrence. That's a big deal, people like you said, what do I do now? Now that my medical treatment is done, they just pushed me out of the nest, so to speak and now you have to fly and you don't know what to do exactly, sorry I didn't mean to cut you off.

Karen: No, that's okay, because I was thinking of the word that you use, recurrence, and I hear that a lot.  I’m fearful of recurrence and these steps that we can take as individuals and as a group, to ward off that recurrence, I think are important and in your cancer journey just making it through those treatments but then setting up a lifestyle that will tell those little cancer cells not to come back.  We have them floating around in our body but we don't need them to reoccur, and that's the lifestyle, that's the coaching that we can do on an ongoing basis.  Whether we're one year, two years, 10 years, 20 years, out from our treatment. That our lifestyle changes and our view of life become more positive, that we can be filled with gratitude on a daily basis and that becomes the message that I really hope that people will take.

Carl: Yeah, a change of lifestyle is so important and some people don't change. You're a wonderful role model of how you can go from one life and go through cancer and make your cancer mean something. Take it to the next level and show people yes, you can completely change your life. Maybe this new life will be a better life than the old life, but sometimes that wake-up call is all you need.

Karen:  It can and you can create that better life you and I and other people have that, I want to say opportunity, to create a better life and I'm here to help other people do that. That's my function as a coach.  It can be just a tiny thing because if you're on a street corner and you take just one step to the left or one step to the right it can change your path. So, we start out with tiny steps that are very doable in your life, in my life that's what happened.  And from that, you can make other changes and you see the possibilities.  You see how it can change you, you can also see the benefits of some of these changes.

Carl: Yeah, well some of the benefits you...I hate to say you can't see because it's like a prevention measure, you're talking about preventing.  When you eat better, some people just don't see it but they don't realize how eating in a bad way is negatively impacting their life.  And two, with the movement, the dance people don't realize how critical that is.  I worked with a cancer patient or a former cancer patient when he had some lymph nodes taken out and it was vital for him to do things with his arms which he wouldn't normally do to get the juices flowing because of the lymph nodes.  so yeah

Karen: I think many women particularly those who've had breast cancer are fearful of the lymphedema that can occur. There is so much that one can do to contain the lymphedema that it is not just putting on a sleeve.  And there's so much you can do with movement, with the massaging, with some of the other things that are recommended. Those are the little touches, the little changes that really can change your life.  I had to smile about the eating piece because for me, when I changed the way I ate, I could feel the difference. I could feel...I also have to say I lost 50 pounds.

Carl: Congratulations.

Karen:  So, that was a big deal. That was huge. And when I looked at what I was eating, I could see why cancer had a field day. So, little by little I changed it. It didn't happen overnight, because it's hard to change what you eat but I did it and I would be delighted to help somebody else do the same thing.  And you have to see where it is that you or your client wants to move. Some people are very happy with what they eat and some people are very willing to change little by little. You don't do it overnight as I said but there are small changes. As for the dance, I dance because I love to dance.    I also know that anybody can dance and most people like music. So, you can move to the music in any way. I also want to state that it's very important to find the movement that your body enjoys. If you don't enjoy running or you don't enjoy yoga, if you don't enjoy lifting weights, chances are you're not going to do it over the long term and that's what we're looking at.  I think it's important to discover what the rhythm of your body responds to.  Whether it's a walk outside. Whether it's on an elliptical in a gym and some of the gyms are open and closed right now. Whether it's bike riding with your son or daughter or a partner. Those are the kinds of things that we can discover, will resonate with your body.

I go back to the lymphedema piece. One of the things that I learned in my recovery was that I was very careful to build my arm to a state where it had the muscle tone. Where it had the ability to have full range of motion and the lymphedema, I was really careful with but I got that arm so that it is today as strong as it can be today, and that's very important. so that's something to work with, with a lot of people.

Carl: Thank you so much, I appreciate that.  People don't realize what someone goes through when you say breast cancer.  They don't think anything's happening to their arms.  So, the eating part...certainly people can feel that benefit by just internalizing the fact that they're changing their internal terrain and making their body an inhospitable environment for cancer to thrive.  When they eat the wrong way, they make their bodies a place where cancer likes to live.  And I like what you said about doing something that people do for a long haul.  It's like you said, it's a lifestyle or making...that's so impactful and I hope people get that message, that it's the long haul.

You have covered most of my questions but I do want to ask, when you're taking the course, was there something that stood out for you or you learned that you didn't really know before?  Something that really added to your program?

Karen: When I did the beat cancer program, I found first of all that is synthesized and brought together a lot of the information that I had picked up along the way.  And so, it is put in one place, I want to say an encyclopedia, a compilation of the practices in which I believe. And to add to that, it was backed up by research and that's very important to show that there is definite research that there is scientific evidence for these holistic practices. Because when you talk to people, they go oh that's just what somebody's saying and that's really not true.  What we're saying is these practices have developed out of research, out of scientific data, that shows how we can prevent cancer and how we can work with our cancer recovery and that it's not simply what somebody is putting forth in what they think.  But we know that it helps us to see that it's helped people in all different countries and a variety of different cancers, in different stages of the cancer.  So that research piece really was important for me.

Carl: Yeah, people don't realize that.  Susan was doing that for 35 years. This is before she ever made a course out of it, so it's not only the science that she researched but it was put into practice for 35 years of helping people.  Oh, I did notice that you said the pillars of healing dot org, is that a non-profit?

Karen: No, well it probably will be a non-profit and so I had a choice of what I was going to name this. I was advised that I could use the dot org and rather than the dot com so that's where it is.

Carl: Okay, yeah. Whenever I see a dot org, I think right away non-profit.

Karen:  Well I will be working with people to build, what I want to say a business, but a business that really goes back into some of the cancer research, some of the cancer organizations that I believe are doing great work.

Carl: Good for you. Well, look at that, a whole new you. Who knew?

Karen:  It's great, well you ask for like that a one-word aha moment, I think it's gratitude, I think it's vitality, I think it's inspiration, and that's for me moving toward a healthy life for cancer clients, cancer...I want to say people who have experienced cancer, because it's not just people who are going through treatment now, but who have in the past and want to make their lives better. If they've stopped treatments and now wondering what they're going to do, how can I have a good life without a recurrence? That's also important.

Carl: Live in victory and not fear.

Karen: That's so important, isn't it?  That you live in a positive world and sometimes that's difficult to do.

Carl: Especially if you don't have anybody telling you there's another way. So many people their family members just push them towards the doctors and when the doctors are done with them, they push them back. And they don't have anybody like you to say they look, there's a different type of life.

Karen: Or they revert back to what they've been doing before they got the cancer. Worst case scenario, if we revert back to that state, chances are it would recur. So, we move forward, we move towards that better lifestyle, that healthier lifestyle.

Carl: Okay so I'm going to sum it up here because I think you did a great job of covering everything. So, just a one bonus question, if there is one tip that you could give and then you gave some great golden nuggets all throughout, I mean I could pull out five or six different things I can make sound bites out of.  But if you had one tip, what would that be?

Karen: I'm talking to your lily; you are part of my blog and I do tips for Lilly and letters to lily.  lily I would say look for the positive in your life and as you're looking for the positive reach out, reach out and grab a hand for support because we can do this together.

Carl: Good one. Well, thank you so much.  Is there anything else you would like to add?

Karen:  Check out pillarsofhealing.org and my email is on there and my phone numbers on there. I'm really good about answering emails and would love to connect with you and do a discovery call and see where we can get together...what makes sense for the two of us to work through a cancer journey together.

Carl: I'm glad you mentioned that.  I'll put the links in the show notes for YouTube, but some people listen on podcast and it's great to mention that verbally, thank you. All right, thank you so much for your time.

Karen:  Thank you for this opportunity.  I really appreciate what Beat Cancer is doing and has done for me and other cancer coaches. I think it's really important that it become and stay a vital organization in the community.

Carl: It's a blessing for me to meet the coaches. I had a great time meeting you and again you are going to be a rock star with that soothing voice and positive attitude and being such a good role model, and I think that's great.

Karen: Thank you.

Carl: You're welcome.

Karen: I’ve been looking forward to this for quite a while.

Car Wagner: Yeah, sorry about the delay COVID-19 really just threw a monkey ranch in.

Karen:  Well, to you and everybody else.  But it gave me an opportunity to clarify what I wanted to do so it was good for all of us.

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Hello! My name is Arti Kumar-Jain. I am a Certified Holistic Cancer Coach. My journey began when my mom was diagnosed with Ovarian Cancer Stage IV in February 2018. As anyone knows in the cancer journey, endless research and constant looking for answers is sought out. The common theme of nutrition and reduction of stress were common elements found in my research. Although my mom passed in August 2019, her spirit lives in me. I am driven to be of assistance to those diagnosed with cancer, friends, family members, and community is part of my in becoming a Cancer Coach. Being of East Asian origin, holistic healing through mind, body, and spirit alliance is crucial and therefore this program at BeatCancer.org is the perfect fit. My focus and passion on health, wellness, and nutrition and living abundantly have come through the formation of the non-profit, Diya Holistic Life Care. I also provide Coaching services and tutoring for children and families through Love & Light 4 Kidz LLC. I am here with you on this journey and know that I am a holding space for you!

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Artie: You do have some time to think, yes, the tumors are growing...I'm talking about active diagnosis. You do have time to think but oftentimes what ends up happening is, anxiety for everybody kicks in and so having somebody on your side like a coach or someone that can help you to realize you do have choices.  And choices embody transformation, right? If we get pigeonholed in something, then our power is taken away. I just want to remind people we do have lots of choices. We just have to be presented with them on the plate.

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Carl: This is Carl Wagner. I'm here with beatcancer.org, the center for advancement in cancer education and we have one of our great coaches, Artie Kumar Jing. Is that correct?  Good, I got it thank you.  Instead of introducing Artie, I'm going to let her tell you who she is and what all the initials are behind your name. You have a lot of them.

Artie:  There are a lot of them but that doesn't mean much until you can make something of it.  Yes, my name’s Artie: and the first role that I can tell you is that I am a mom of two girls that are currently four and six and I got into coaching...it's been about a year's worth of a journey getting into coaching, especially holistic cancer care. I have had my certification now for about four months and I have been...I started my journey actually when it comes to education, a long time ago, about 20 years ago.

I started working in preschools then I switched into working in elementary schools, got an undergrad in psychology, and did a minor in conflict resolution.  And along my journey, I always said that I especially would leave the classroom if I was paying attention to other needs for the kids besides the pedagogy of teaching.  Then I went into clinical counseling, Mental Health counseling worked in private practices, in hospital settings, in different clinical settings.

And then along the trip...I call it a trip because I really feel like the journey is a trip. I got married and when my family moved back to Virginia, we had kind of moved all over and worked also in another clinical facility. But then I decided I wanted to stay home with my girls.  And my mom who lived in Northern Virginia moved closer to us and she was actually diagnosed with ovarian cancer stage four, back in February of 2018. So, like anyone, when that takes place in your home or whatever. You go through research, you talk to everybody and anybody, you are continually trying to figure out how to beat this thing. So, regardless of beating or not beating, you do make catastrophic changes really quickly.  My mom made a lot of them, I also side by side made some changes.  looked a lot into nutrition, into holistic health and of course, being of Indian origin, my mom was already into some of that stuff. I have always looked into it, but it became very apparent in the research that the holistic approach of mind, body, spirit needs to be in place.

Carl: So, that's what brought you to beat cancer then?  Or did you look at other things first?

Artie:  Oh no, sorry.  She did pass but long story short in her passing, she had written some life stages down in one of her books, and I looked at it and I was like I realized I was supposed to do more with just her journey but to help others. And that's when I looked up to beat cancer...it just came to me; the coaching module was going to be implemented because I love coaching. I love therapy too, but coaching is more about helping that person really meeting their goals and their objectives to help them with that forward momentum.  And so, the beat cancer came up and it was right when I read that descriptor.

I didn't even look anywhere else, I just knew that holistic piece of mind, body, spirit, knowing the story behind the founding of it, knowing that there was a personal element touched for her journey, for Dr. Silverstein’s journey. And then knowing everyone who's on and a part of that whole entity it didn't take me long.  I literally signed up the day that I saw the website, there was no question that it was the right fit.

Carl:  Now I see that you also have your own non-profit is that correct?

Artie: Yes.

Carl:  Okay, and go ahead tell us a little bit about that.

Artie: Sure, the non-profit actually is coaching through the lifespan. We're looking at health coaching and career coaching.  But cancer coaching is a module where I feel of course that it's important to help people in disease prevention and also preventative care.  But also, for those who are in this cycle and we also support end-of-life care through coordination with hospice and through palliative care in different organizations. The goal is to make it on a sliding scale and affordable to folks, so currently, we are working on getting some grants it's in its infancy stage so a lot of it's just starting to build.

Carl: Wait a minute is this the kid’s nonprofit?

Artie:  No, this is the...the kids are a business.

Carl: Okay, I thought that was an NPO, but that's your website and that's your Instagram?

Artie:  Yes, the website is under development but the Instagram and the Facebook page are all live.

Carl: Okay, and do you want to tell us a little bit about that too?

Artie: Sure, lovingly for kids is a module where we provide webinars and seminars for organizations as well as for parents and families. Those who are in therapy and may need a module of coaching, we provide those services. We also provide tutoring.  I'm currently...right now we're actually looking at a lot of virtual workshops and after school programs in conjunction with other organizations.  That website is actually currently operating, I apologize it is the non-profit website that is under development.

Carl:  Right, I didn't even know about that.  I thought it was just...I was just talking about the kid’s website. That's a surprise to me, that's great.  I have to look at my questions here, excuse me I’m sorry we're both new at this. When you went through the course what did you find helpful that you probably didn't know?

Artie:  I actually thought it was really helpful that we so I have had this background of nutrition and looking into nutrition. But I thought it was really Right, I good to have the background of the root cause. For instance, I had...for my mom, we had looked into other avenues.  What could have been the cause? We went to a naturopath and the possibility of maybe hormones or whatnot.  But to get the actual descriptors, behind all of these different types of cancers and what we need to examine. We talk about stress on the body, but then, what particular stressors, for that particular cancer. It's almost like you could target that organ and how to really build it up to really reduce that tumor growth or whatnot.  That was extremely helpful and very beneficial. Because it was the first time that I got a chance ever to examine the root cause.

Carl:  Yeah, two things that you mentioned, something about meeting people where they are and what you were just talking about, then trying to find the root cause. I think it's very interesting, that there is no one-size-fits-all approach and that's one thing that I think is different about our course.  It's not a diet book, it's not a cookie-cutter program, or a special protocol.  It's about observing people and being able to coach them through from wherever they're at. What did you think was your favorite part of the course that helped you in your coaching?

Artie:  I really have to tell you all the nutrition and stuff.  It's so hard, Carl because of the fact that everything has been leading to this holistic mind, body, spirit, and taking care of our body.  Feeding it well and then stress reduction and that kind of thing.  The nutrition pieces are really helping because it just solidified more and more of the research that has already been conducted. But knowing that this institute has already far exceeded when they've been following this module for a long time.  Even before, some people are now getting on the boat to examine what dairy does to the body or to examine how it does look to eat more cleanly.

That was when I realized that for me, that’s how we can treat this cancer embodiment of preventative and that was really empowering.  Because then, I also feel like...especially in my line of work, where it can, it is about wellness but then preventative wellness and also meeting the person if they are diagnosed.  How we can assist them if they want to make some changes or whatnot.

Carl: Right, I think an important thing to know if people are just seeing these coaching videos for the first time, is that we don't tell people not to go to their doctors or to follow a doctor's advice.  But we do help them get their bodies into the best possible situation to heal properly.  Because we don't say we cure cancer. The body cures cancer and even doctors can't say they cure cancer.  They might say they killed cancer, but they can't say they healed the body necessarily. The body does it itself and I think that's one of the things that's a big takeaway from all the people that get counseled by our coaches or by our staff. I think we hear that a lot, they've never been so healthy since they've had cancer.  It was a wake-up call.  So Right, I for you, did you make any personal changes in your life after learning this stuff?

Artie:  I have, right when I was going through that nutrition program, I have been vegetarian for a number of years.  Then I had cut dairy out of my diet and I felt tons better and slowly even more so reducing the animal...whatever, I mean even just examination of how close I come to toxins and soaps and household ingredients.  Just really getting into that...I already knew about the pesticides and food but like really becoming aware and how it's all linked together.

Carl:  Right, as soon as you get in you start.  Now you're cleaning out your closet.

Artie: It became even more of a pronounced enhancement...because it's almost like...they say cancer is transforming for the patient and then it also becomes the embodiment for the family, I feel. And so, therefore...my mom even had said...in a way and I feel the same way, that in a way, it is a blessing to have it because you live in a very mindfully different way when you have this disease that comes into your life.

Carl: Yeah, well mindful,  if you have studied some of the holistic ways of dealing with things but the unfortunate thing is for most cancer patients they go to the doctor and they're told get in for surgery, get in for chemo right away and they don't have time to think about anything. so, it's really good. I think as the coaches start to coach...especially the person who cooks in the house and everybody becomes healthy and the neighbors see that and there's this ripple effect. I think when that happens, that can cause people to become mindful.  Instead of just a patient or a number even they're treated like a tumor.

So, even if people are going through a medical protocol, it's great to get a coach like Artie, because she can be there with you and through the whole process it's a great shoulder to cry on, even. Because when people are telling you to do one thing, but your heart's telling you to do another thing, you need somebody on your side.  Everybody else is just scared and pushing you in a medical direction when really you need to heal your body as well.  Sorry, I didn't mean to steal your thunder.

Artie:  Oh no, I could totally [inaudible 14:36] what you just said.  The fact is that you do have some time to think.  Yes, the tumors are growing...when you're...I'm talking about active diagnosis. But you do have time to think but oftentimes, what ends up happening is anxiety for everybody kicks in and so having somebody on your side like a coach or someone that can help you to realize you do have choices, and choices embody transformation. We often...if we get pigeonholed in something then our power is taken away. But I just want to remind people, we do have lots of choices.  We just have to be presented with them on the plate.

Carl: Right, and you as a patient, you have some control.  You're not completely a victim, you're not completely out of control.  It didn't start overnight; it won't end overnight. I'm not a coach, I am the CEO of the organization so I just make sure the lights stay on here and make sure everybody else does their job well. So, I know enough to be dangerous, I guess. I leave all the professional stuff up to everybody else.

All right, let me look at another question we have here. What was your health journey? You didn't have a cancer diagnosis; you are like me.  My stepmother who I grew up with, she died of cancer, her father died of cancer, her mother's second husband died of cancer.  So, I've seen it a lot.  And everybody that's on the board, everybody has anything to do with us, our organization intimately, has either had cancer themselves or somebody very close to them had cancer.  And a lot of people find us the same way that they did.

They wanted the cancer to mean something, instead of something just bad, something positive, something that they can take and help other people and that was the whole reason that Susan started the organization. She didn't get this information in time to help her husband but she made sure that she would not let one more family, if she had anything to do with it, go through what she went through.  And I think I'm hearing the same story from you, is that correct?

Artie: Yes. Carl, I really appreciate you saying we're not...when I'm talking holistic, I do believe in allopathic, homeopathy, all of our medicines together. But I just really want again, back to the idea that chemo is not your only option. For instance, if my mom could have gotten back in time, she would have made the decision to do the Chinese the TCM, Chinese Medicine a little earlier. But she didn't want to do it both side by side, but one of my examples to you is, I said it earlier, how do we help people? How can I be part of the journey to make sure that they have well-informed care, and that's what all patients deserve?  Especially cancer patients who we don't just decide chemo is your only option.  No, let's look at all of your wide range and then go ahead.  If you want to do all the cards, by all means, let's do all the cards. Or if you want to do this, at least to help empower you to make sure that when you rest with your decision, you really get to rest with it.

Carl: Right, you're not left not knowing at least. And just the empowerment mentally knowing that you're able to participate in your healing. I think it is a big deal and that's one of the things that our coaches are great at. They're just there to help you and whenever you're stuck, just call and take some time to go over what's going on. I think it's really helpful mentally, for people. Yeah, so let me look again. I'm very unprofessional.

Artie:  Oh my God, please.  What I want to share is, it was interesting, we were talking about the journey behind where I got to the kids. I actually had formulated the business card for the non-profit and on the back, it had the services we were providing. It said cancer support. I then, like I said, when I was thinking in my brain, I really want some type of cancer coach, right? And I was like, is it out there?  The google search and the [inaudible19:20] search for google, I put in cancer coach and that's when beat cancer came up.

Carl: That's great.

Artie:  So, literally the only thing...I'm a researcher, so I researched the hell out of everything. For instance, the Health Coaching, I looked at in-depth. Where am I going to do my program? Who's the provider of the services? How much time have they spent?  But right away, the click happened because of the way that the mission statement and how...and her journey and everyone who is supporting this cause.

Carl:  Susan was an early adopter. She was pre-google. She was pre-internet, so she was doing this for 35 years before we filmed it.  Yeah, she...and people had a different mentality. They followed their doctor's instructions right to death, literally. The thing about Susan is, she is a dynamic researcher. I mean, the amount of studies, she can just quote offhand it's just amazing.  When she's talking about something, she doesn't just say it as an opinion, she backs it up with the studies it came from, and 35 years of experience in the street. Working with people and counseling people and teaching other counselors to counsel people. So yeah, it's like I said, it's because we got some people that are in our industry that aren't even as old as how long she's been doing it for.

Artie: That's amazing.

Carl: Yeah, but it's a delight for us to see it. This is her legacy is to have coaches out and there's no shortage of people to talk to. If they're willing to talk. Okay, so now I'm going to look up that question, let's see what we got here. Have you coached any clients at this point?

Artie: For the cancer module, I have one...my organization does a lot of pro bono work or slack, we just take the donations right and we're in the building phase. But I have one person that I have talked to in India and I'm helping. We've had phone...two-hour sessions and she's actually not the patient, it's her husband.

Carl: Yeah, the caregiver.

Artie: The caregiver. And so, we have gotten an opportunity and I've given…she asked for a few tips here and there and we have our next call actually coming up. We give some time in between, we try to make a few of those modifications she had asked for and I just reminded her of...you do the things also, like some of it was nutritionally based, so do it together.  So that, he doesn't feel like he…so now she understood the concept behind doing things as a couple. [inaudible22:38] just he is the pain.  He needs to do, and she appreciated that too, I think instead, let's do it together.

Carl: No, that's good. You can't have somebody who's your spouse or your family not participate, because that just makes it so much harder for you. Again, it makes you feel alone. But just for clarification, I want people to know that, or are watching this for the first time, that many of the people that I’m going to be interviewing or many of the people that have been interviewed in the past. They're very new, they have completed our course, they...for the most part, we're catching them for these interviews just to introduce them and may not have had a lot of clients at this point. Some people have, some people...because we're just starting this program of interviewing. I have had a great deal of experience but other people are just getting started but that doesn't mean they're any less qualified.  Now, when you're looking at the course, do you feel like this was a good starting point for this type of knowledge?  And is this something that has inspired you to go further with it?

Artie: Oh, for sure. When you help develop plans with that person who's...you just will continually...but all of the resources and the books that have been provided are very easy reads. Plus, like you said, the research corroborates it.  So, it's nice to know where to go, and then we have a great support network on our Facebook group collaboration team to be able to go to. I feel like there's a lot of hand-holding which is awesome.

Carl: That's something that makes us different.  We don't just let you go. Yeah, excellent. So okay, where can people find you?  Well, I don't know how long we've been on the phone, but we'll start closing it up.  Where can people find you?

Artie: Sure, right now you can go on my Facebook page via The Holistic Life Care.  Our website is under development like I said, we have...you can contact me by email.

Carl: Okay, I'll make sure all the links are in the description.

Artie: And the email, email is great, and then we have our business phone line. And oh, I'm sorry, Instagram.  Instagram and Facebook page.

Carl: Yeah, I'll put everything in the description. I just wanted to give you a chance to say it and one bonus question, if you had one final tip or words of wisdom for anybody that might be listening or wanting to counsel, anything it's your show.

Artie: Trust your gut.

Carl: Good one, always knows. Yeah absolutely, is there anything else that you'd like to add?

Artie:  I always love that book Eat Pray Love, like really. It sums up everything, I feel like I’m in that movie.  I feel like we eat well, we...whatever your definition of prayer is and just love well.  I feel like you can really...we can really do a lot.

Carl: Terrific, yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

Artie:  No, you didn't.

Carl: Oh, okay alright, is that it?

Artie:  That's it.

Carl: Okay, terrific.  It was wonderful getting to meet you.

Artie:  You too, thanks Carl for your time.

Carl: You're welcome and I'll get this all edited up and I'll let you know when it's ready.

Artie: Okay, alright, thank you.

Carl:  Okay, bye now.

Artie: Bye.

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Natalie Proenca conquered breast cancer for over 10 years. Her cancer diagnosis was in 2008 with conventional treatment. Then a few years later she had tumors in ovaries and uterus. Her oncologist confirmed that it was caused by hormonal therapy. She took this chance and used a natural approach and treated it by changing diet and exercises.

She has transformed herself using mind-body-spirit and decided to leave her Software Engineer career and was trained as a Cancer Coach with BeatCancer and TrulyHeal, and certified Holistic Integrative Health Coach with IIN. She is also a certified Plant-based Nutrition Graduate at eCornell (with T. Colin Campbell). She's helped many cancer patients recover from the treatments and even help them healed from different types of cancer such as breast cancer, cervical cancer, ovarian cancer, lung cancer, kidney cancer, colon cancer, thyroid cancer, and brain cancer. She offers online programs; Colon & Kidney Detox and Beat Cancer Naturally. She has a strong passion to guide you to find the best protocol for you to fight cancer and get well. Connect with her on facebook.com/Natalie.Proenca or email at [email protected] or 508-282-6698.

Natalie:  For someone who just found out that they've been diagnosed with cancer. What should they do? I think the very first thing you need to understand is that you have had cancer for years. You did not have cancer two days ago or two months ago, it has been for a long time. It could take seven to ten or twenty years. If you have lung cancer, it could be thirty years. So do not rush. I want you to step back and then just take a quiet moment and ask yourself, how did you get cancer and what you should do next. Most people, when they learn that they have cancer, get frustrated. They have fears. When you make decisions with fears, you make the wrong decision. I want you to learn, I want you to search, ask people who have been there, who have experience guide you, what you should do. So you have the right path. You don't want to try left and right and back and forth. You're going to lose time. Even though I said, you have been having cancer for a long time, but sometimes when you choose the wrong road, you're losing time and the cancer, it's true that it's growing all the time, but it's not as fast as when you know it. Think about two years, five years ago, you did not know that you have cancer. You never care about cancer. You never really think about it, but now you know that you have cancer, you start having fears, you start worry and that causes cancer to grow very fast.

So the first thing you should do is to just step back and ask yourself, what is the right protocol for you? You want to do conventional, or you want to do naturally or you want to do integrative? I want you to sit down and then take a piece of paper and write down pros and cons of each approach and think about what will fit your lifestyle the most, and what's best for yourself because each approach is not the best for everyone. You have to come up with your own protocol and that's the very first step that I want to suggest to anyone that has just been diagnosed with cancer.

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Carl: This is Carl Wagner. I'm here with Beat Cancer. We're here with another one of our great coaches, Natalie Parenza and I'm going to just shut up and let her speak. So Natalie, please tell us a little bit about yourself, your journey and how you came to beat cancer?

Natalie: My name is Natalie. My journey about cancer; I have been diagnosed since 2008, when my youngest son was just 10 months old. I had breast cancer and my son was just learning how to walk. At that time  I had no knowledge. I had no information about alternative medicine or alternative approaches so I don't know what to do. I just took the conventional treatment, just like a lot of people did. So I had surgery, I had chemotherapy, radiation. Then one day I saw one of my friends, she had cancer returned. She had breast cancer before and then she had cancer returned. The second time she had brain cancer and she didn't make it and I have seen a lot of people and I started to realize that conventional treatment is not the answer. I had that experience myself. I was on Tamoxifen, I was on hormone therapy for two years, then it started showing tumor in my ovaries and uterus. So the doctor kept watching the tumor growing, by that time I already told myself that I don't want to be like others, I don't want cancer to return. What should I do? I start taking control of my health and I start searching for the answer, how can I be cancer free?

So I study a lot. I started reading books, any books about cancer, I just read it and I started changing my lifestyle, changing my diet. So I told my doctor that I don't want any surgery anymore. I don't want any drugs, nothing. So I started changing, implementing a new diet. I make green smoothie every day and then start cutting meat one by one until finally I was able to switch everything. So I was on a plant based at some point. So I'm not completely vegan or vegetarian, I'm just trying to find what is best for me. So six months after that, the doctor said, what did you do? Your tumor is gone, but the doctor's still giving me Tamoxifen, I still kept taking it because she said, I'm still young. I was diagnosed when I was 36 and she said, okay, because you have an aggressive type, your cancer can come back in five years so you should be on hormone therapy. So I told my doctor that I don't want anything removed, no more surgery. So the first time the tumor was gone, she just said it was a surprise. Maybe it was something of a fault test or something. So I kept taking Tamoxifen more and more and the tumor started growing again.

The second time I was able to shrink the tumor, it happened three times until my oncologist said, okay, yes, your hormone therapy is actually causing your tumor to grow. So it took three times for my oncologist to convince me that it was the hormone of therapy that caused that. I knew that, so that time I already have knowledge, I already know what to do with my body so I was not afraid of cancer anymore. So that's my turning point, that's why I want to take control of myself and I start changing. It seems like I have my new life since then. So I have been doing this for more than 10 years now. I've been cancer free for 10 years.

Carl: Congratulations.

Natalie: Thank you so much, that's how I started to really pay attention and really interested and I want to become a cancer coach and help other people.

Carl: Yeah. Make your cancer mean something.

Natalie: It does.

Carl: Yes. So I hear many similar stories. In fact I might've shared this before with some other coaches, but my mother had breast cancer and she did radiation and I'm not sure if she did chemo, I was pretty young at the time. So she was a statistic of somebody who lived through breast cancer because she lasted more than five years. So they say you're a survivor, but she did die of cancer and it was cancer and that was in her intestinal area. It was actually on top of it. It was strange. So just like you said, the cancer came back and just like you said, a lot of people that the cancer comes back, they must change their lifestyle.

Natalie: So that was the thing that I started questioning because when I took the conventional treatment, I did not have any knowledge. My doctor did not tell me, she just said, oh, you can eat everything, but just reduce red meat to just a couple of meals per week and I hear a lot of information from my friends, from the media and it just gets confusing. At some point at the beginning, I actually refused everything because I don't trust anyone. Then I realized why a lot of people have cancer return. So conventional treatment is not the answer. Then I start searching for the truth. Then I realized that, oh my God, I have to do something because I don't want to be like others that have cancer return again. So that's what I start searching and learning and learning and here I am, I believe that my knowledge can help others and if I can save someone's life or someone can use my information, my knowledge that I have been studying for more than 10 years, I want to help other, I want to be the person who opening that door and show them and tell them here. There are so many roads, so many paths that you can choose how to get well without using a conventional treatment or if you want to integrate it both, you have to do something. You have to protect yourself, not to really get cancer again; I have seen some people, some of my clients, that they did not prepare themselves and then when they receive chemotherapy or radiation and they just get sick and sicker, and then they cannot tolerate the medicine, they cannot tolerate the drugs and they didn't make it and that is so sad.  That is why this information is not there for people to know this.

Carl: Yeah. It seems that well here in America, when somebody has any type of heart issue, anything, they usually leave the doctor's office with a laundry list of things to do, eat less salt, get more exercise, lose some weight, less red meat. But when we go to the oncology office with cancer, they don't tell you anything it seems, at least in regards to how you can participate in your own healing the way that they deal with heart issues say you get to be a participant, you get to be part of the healing process. So yeah, and what you said about integrative approach. So we don't ever say to anybody don't follow your doctor's advice that would just put us out of business in a heartbeat and set us up for liability. But we absolutely do say look with what our advice is let's change the terrain of your body. Let's get you in the best position for your body to help itself heal because the medicines and the radiation do not heal the cancer, it kills the cancer.

Natalie: And it's temporary. Those treatments kill the cancer but just for a very short time.

Carl: Right. Right. And you've got to change your lifestyle like you said, like you did, an excellent example, right. You're a role model and that's a great thing. You show how you can come back and have a vibrant life. Yeah, love it. So how did you find beat cancer?

Natalie: So I have been studying, searching, I'm always learning and I actually want more and more information. Then I took health coach training from IIN Institute for Integrative Nutrition.  When I'm done with that it gives me an overview of how to become a health coach, but then I want a specific cancer coach. Then I Google it and I have been looking for many, many places and this is it. When I watched the video, when I watched Susan talking and I was like, I have to enroll into this program and that's how I found beat cancer.org.

Carl: Oh, that's great. That's great. So what was it about the course that you feel that you gained knowledge wise that helped you over the other things that you have already learned?

Natalie: My favorite part, I have three favorites. One is the mind, body, spirit part; I never heard it from anywhere about characteristics of cancer patients, especially Susan summarized more than 30,000 patients that she interviewed and she summarized each type of cancer, breast cancer, uterus cancer, kidney and lung cancer. It’s just amazing that when I look at myself, I ask myself, yes, is this true and moreover, I try to use that information because I already started having clients before. So I start asking questions when they come to me, I ask, okay, what type of cancer do you have? And I started applying the knowledge from what I learned from Beat Cancer and every single one said it correctly, how did I know that? It seems like I'm a fortune teller, but I said based on the studies as Susan did that and I was like it is amazing for me about my body's connection about each type of cancer. So that's my first impression is my favorite information that I learned from beat cancer.

The second one is the document. Oh my God, it was just like massive, all what I want to know including diet, what to eat, what not to eat and there the chart about the mind, the spirit, the spiritual, what to do, the A-Z kinds of food, the superfood, everything, all the documentation that this organization gathered. It's so valuable, it's much more than the tuition fee that I paid. Honestly, you get a lot more. The bonus is a plus, everything that I want to learn about cancer that is always document there. So the third part that I like a lot is the example of the interview, the case study and showing real examples, how to interview and how to ask questions, how to ask the right question to clients and observation about the patient, when they respond and what we should ask and that I think is very good. I didn't learn from anywhere else. So that's my, the best favorite parts that I learned that's a lot more than that though. It's a lot, but if I pick the top three, that would be it.

Carl: Yeah. The bonus area was something I did after Susan retired. I felt like everything that we had in digital format, all the books, all the videos, all the audio recordings, I wanted our coaches to have all of that and I just threw it all in. Everything that she's ever done for 35 years I wanted you guys to have it. So I'm glad you mentioned that, that makes me feel good that you took advantage of that and enjoyed that.

Natalie: Oh, I go through everything. I cannot remember everything though. I think I have to go through that again and again, there's so much information and I'm just so excited. I was one of those people that was really crazy about learning. I never stopped learning, and this is always something for me to learn.

Carl: Yeah. It's just the beginning that our course is just the beginning. It's to set you on the right course for your journey and I don't know; where are you working at right now?

Natalie: Where am I working right now?

Carl: No, no, your country.

Natalie: Oh, I’m originally from Thailand and most of my clients, they are Thai, but they're living in the US; most of my clients they are in Thailand and I have people from all over the world. Some people, some Thai people live in Germany, New Zealand, Switzerland and some in France,.It's very exciting to be a coach and I'm able to help people around the world.

Carl: Yeah. I love it. I love it. It just seems like we get one person and all of a sudden all over the world, they're teaching people and I love it that you're teaching the Taiwanese and bringing it to the Taiwanese culture and you're just a shining example.

Natalie: Yes. Especially when I've been living in the US more than 20 years. When I talk to Thai people about cancer, they don't have information like how I have here. So I see that's why no one tell them about this. There may be cancer coaches in Thailand that I haven't met, but I see that there are some information that is very valuable, that they should know about this and I started with clients in Thailand first because I wanted to help them and I also have clients here in the US as well. I just see that Thai people need someone to really share this information, because it's a lot of information. I see that they're still; I was thinking about myself 10 years ago when I was diagnosed with cancer. Nobody tells me anything about alternatives, so I think Thailand, it just like back then there's still like, everything is about chemotherapy. You must take chemotherapy only, radiation only and you should not take any supplements because it's going to interfere with chemotherapy. So when I heard that from Thai people, I was like no, no, no, no, that's not true. All this information, I don't want to put the word that they are behind here. It's just nobody delivered this message to them. So that's why I want to tell them and I also have lots of people and friends back in Thailand that have cancer. So I start with that.

Carl: So with the cookbooks and the A-Z guide do you feel that there's enough variety in there to cook Thai style with those foods?

Natalie: Oh, that's a very good point because when I start talking about changing diet, eating plant based, people wondering what is the plant based diet. We know that we need to eat plants, but exactly how? And then when I start talking about eating salad, people would just really put that off because, oh, no, that's only food for Western. It's just the name of the dish. I said, don't think about it as a Western dish, you should eat as close as natural as possible. So it's true that the salad dish, the diet that we learn here in the US, it doesn't fit the culture in Thailand because people eat a lot of cooked food, curry. They use a lot of curry. They eat fresh, raw vegetables, but in a different way, a very different way. So when I started to eat salad, everybody thought about salad dressing in a way that you have to use eggs and oil.

Carl: Yeah. Well, maybe you'll have to come up with some great Thai recipes.

Natalie: Then I started learning more and more, also using the Thai culture, the food in Thailand, what is safe for cancer patients? So I started an online course.

Carl: Oh, great.

Natalie: Yes. So I started the online course, I started with colon and liver detoxification and introducing green juice and changing diet and doing coffee enema, helping people to get rid of the toxins. Then I launched another online course beating cancer naturally. Then I start introducing using the Gerson therapy protocol and mixed with some of the vegetables that people can use and can find in Thailand and so I use Gerson therapy as my core that's because I learned Gerson therapy before I found beat cancer.

Carl: Right. Right. And while we're not just one therapy, it seems like, I think we kind of give you a broad array of tools to use instead of just one singular approach. But you are right, we are mostly plant based and so is Gerson.

Natalie: Right, right.

Carl: Yeah. Well, that's great. You made the courses, you already beat me to it. I just didn't know about it. That's excellent. So okay, I'm going to give you the bonus question and, of course, I want you to tell people where they can find you, because if they're just listening to this on a podcast I want them to know where to find you. But the bonus question is if you could just give one tip to somebody getting started what would that be? The getting started in their cancer journey?

Natalie: For someone who just found out that they've been diagnosed with cancer, I think the very first thing you need to understand is that you have cancer for years, you did not have cancer two days ago or two months ago, it has been for a long time. It could take seven to ten or twenty years. If you have lung cancer, it could be 30 years. So do not rush. I want you to step back and then just take a quiet moment and ask yourself, how did you get cancer and what you should do next. Most people, when they learn that they have cancer, they get frustrated, they have fears. When you make a decision with fears, you make the wrong decision. I want you to learn, I want you to search, ask people who have been there, who have experience, guide you what you should do so you have the right path. You don't want to try left and right and back and forth, you're going to lose time. Even though I said you have been having cancer for a long time, sometimes when they choose the wrong road, you're losing time and the cancer, it's true that it's growing all the time, but it's not as fast as when you know it. Think about two years, five years ago, you did not know that you have cancer. You never care about cancer. You never really think about it but now you know that you have cancer you start having fears, you start worry and that causes cancer to grow very fast.

So the first thing you should do is to just step back and ask yourself, what is the right protocol for you? You want to do conventional or you want to do naturally all you want to do an integrative? I want you to sit down and then take a piece of paper and write down pros and cons of each approach and think about what will fit your lifestyle the most, and what's best for yourself because each approach is not the best for everyone. You have to come up with your own protocol and that's the very first step that I want to suggest to anyone that just diagnosed with cancer.

Carl: That's great. Just take a step back, that is a problem, people get rushed right in, hurry up and take this protocol and they don't have any time to think and the family too, the family is scared, they just want you to do what the doctor says. I think it's really good advice to slow it down. Make sure you do what's right for you. Very good, excellent advice.

Natalie: And finding the right doctor, good doctor, that's also very important. My doctor never rushed me actually, when I searched for a doctor, when I found out that I had cancer, it was very bad timing. I was about to travel to Thailand. I have a couple of days to fly and it was during the Christmas and New Year season. I'm about to fly to Thailand and my doctor called me, said the result, the tests came back and it was cancer. So I was in denial mode, I did not believe that so I thought it was a joke. So a lot of people may have that feeling. I thought it was a flu. Okay. I have a flu and a few days it will go away, until the next day I start to realize, this is no kidding. This is real. So I asked my doctor and she said, well, you are going to be on vacation, just go, a couple of weeks will not make a difference. So my doctor let me travel and enjoy my life. Enjoy my vacation, she said, when you come back then you can start thinking about a treatment. I have heard someone that have doctors told them, no, you need surgery. You need chemotherapy right away.

Carl: I've heard that too.

Natalie: And that made you even more nervous. Oh my God, I cannot wait a couple of days is going to be that bad. My life is going to end and that's when people get so frustrated. The more you rush, the more fears you have, and then you made the wrong decision.

Carl: Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes it plants a seed in your head as well. Some people just die exactly on time when their doctors say they would. They're great doctors, but they're not psychic. Why is it three months on the day or a six months on the day or one year on the day? It's an amazing thing, a power that a healer has in their hands, just by what they tell you. Your doctor told you, good, go enjoy yourself. Don't worry about it for now. Yeah. It's a bad thing to hear right before you go on vacation, but then I'll take this time to just relax and then come back and we'll talk. Yeah, that was very good. So do you have anything else that you'd like to relate to our listeners and our watchers before we close it up?

Natalie: I have some good stories to share, some of my clients.

Carl: Yeah, that would be wonderful.

Natalie: Can I share? I have been coaching many people around the world by now. I have some story that is really catchy for me. One lady, she just watched my YouTube video. She had lung cancer stage three, but her doctor told her that she would not survive more than three months. So she didn't start with stage three lung cancer. She started with stage one, as I said, when you know you have cancer, you have fears and that's how the tumor started growing really quickly. In only a few months, her tumor, her cancer grew to be stage three in a few months, it's growing really big and she went to see another doctor. So it was already stage three and the doctor said, you must do chemotherapy. If not, you will have only three months to live. Somehow, something happened, someone shared my video and she just watched that video and she said, this is it. She's going to try. She didn't want to have chemotherapy. So she went back home and started growing her own vegetables. She heard that coach Natalie said that you’ve got to eat organic vegetables and stop eating meat for her type of cancer, she did that. Three months later, she started having a checkup. Six months later, she had the test again and the doctor was surprised her tumor is gone. She did not tell me until two years after that, two more years, her sister actually sent me a message to thank me that your video saved my sister's life two years ago, my sister watched your video and she did not speak Thai properly because she's not Thai.

She understands Thai and I was like my knowledge, my information, and my video that I posted on YouTube can save someone's life and it just like, keep me going and I want to do more of this. So I actually saved someone's life by someone just watching my video on YouTube, on how to change the diet and what to do and that's one of the stories that I want to know. It's one of the style that I really want to share that in someone that no longer has hope, when the doctor said you have only three months, six months to live. Hope is powerful and I want to be the person who delivered that hope and it's not as false hope because if one person can come back from stage four from bedridden, and then they become alive again, they can heal from cancer by themselves. If one person can do it there are more people who can do it and I think you can do it too. So that's what I want to deliver this message that doesn't lose hope. There's always hope if you're still alive.

Carl: Yeah. We've seen that many times. We never say that we heal people from cancer because we don't, we just give them the tools that they need to allow their bodies to do the work that they're supposed to do.

Natalie: And I have another story. This lady, she was in my group coaching. I have a six month group coaching program that I meet them every two weeks. So this lady she's 70 years old. The first cancer diagnosis was a couple years, about four years back, she had kidney cancer. She has surgery. She had the tumor removed, but she refused chemotherapy and no radiation, but she did not change her lifestyle. She did not change the diet. So four years later, which is this year 2020, at the beginning of the year, her cancer came back second time and the tumor, it was really, really close to where she had surgery before. So this is proof that you cannot cut out cancer. You have to really treat the real cause, you have to get rid of the cancer stem cell. So when she had cancer, the second time she chose not to do surgery and again, no radiation, no chemotherapy and she found me. So she joined a group coaching program and I gave her information. I give her the tool and I give them advice on what to do. Six months after the program ended, she had herself scanned and her doctor said, your tumor is gone. You no longer have cancer. It was really, really amazing. She's 70 years old, but she's willing to learn. She's willing to change her lifestyle, which is not very easy for someone who is 70.

Carl: She really wanted it. She really wanted it. Yeah.

Natalie: So this story, it just shows me that someone 70 year old can do it so you can do it too. It just you have the right tool, you have the right information and you have to believe, you have to believe in yourself and you have to trust yourself. That's what I want to say.

Carl: Yeah. It's so hard when you're getting conflicting advice from people that are supposed to be smarter than you because they have letters after their name but like you said, you have to trust your gut. You have to trust your instinct. You have to take time to reflect and use the tools that are presented to you and I love that. I think your whole video should be called you can do it too and I think that's great. It's the truth. Yeah. Other people did it and you can do it too. Yeah. You got another one?

Natalie: I do have a lot actually, but this is my top two. You want to hear more? What type of cancer you want to hear? I actually help someone healed from cancer, many types of cancer. I started with breast cancer. I have someone really healed from breast cancer without surgery, without chemo and radiation. Then my second one uterus cancer, kidney cancer, thyroid cancer, lung cancer, colon cancer, brain cancer.

Carl: Yeah. Amazing stuff. Amazing. Yeah.

Natalie: So what type of cancer do you want to hear the story?

Carl: So well, it's getting a bit long. So what we'll do is do you have videos in English or is it all in Thai?

Natalie: It's all in Thai. I haven't done it in English yet.

Carl: Okay.

Natalie: I will start that really soon.

Carl: Yeah. Yeah. And we'll connect all your videos into our we have a playlist in YouTube, so we can list your videos in our playlist we'll list. We'll list what you have in Thai, but it'll be great for you to do an English two.

Natalie: I will.

Carl: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Natalie: I will be posting the video in English soon.

Carl: Okay. So tell us podcast listeners how we can find you and your website and everything.

Natalie: If you're here in the US you can send me a text message on my cell phone, (508) 282-6698 or you want to send me email [email protected]. We can provide you information right below this message, right?

Carl: Yeah. Yeah. I'll put it up. I'll put everything in the show notes

Natalie: [email protected], or you can find me on Facebook. I'm always on Facebook and Instagram, my Facebook, I have personal webpage, Natalie Proenca or you want to find me, you can search “stop cancer with Natalie” in English, or in Thai: “หยุดมะเร็งกับโค้ชนาตาลี”. Then I have this Facebook page and you can find a lot of videos about how to beat cancer naturally or integratively. If  you decide to take chemotherapy, you need to take supplements and what supplements are right for you and how the diet will help you to get through chemotherapy and get well sooner. I have a lot of information on my Facebook page and on Instagram it's Coach Natalie and YouTube channel health coach Natalie. Or you can go to my website, healthcoachnatalie.com.

Carl: Terrific. Wow. You're everywhere. Terrific. Well, thank you so much for taking some time with us today and sharing your stories. You're an inspiration and you're already an established coach, even before us. So I think that's wonderful and I love your stories of healing and your insights. Thank you so much.

Natalie: Thank you so much. Thanks for watching.

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Jennifer Gale is a Traditional/Classical Naturopath certified through the American Naturopathic Medical Certification Board (ANMCB) as well as a Functional Diagnostic Nutrition Practitioner. She also has certification as a Bio-Energetics practitioner working through the NES program. She gives workshops and lectures throughout the southeast Michigan area on all aspects of Natural Health - with primary focus on Nutrition, Herbs, Reflexology, Essential Oils, Organic Gardening, and Functional Blood Chemistry Analysis. Her most recent work is combining Thermal imaging into client care as a Thermo buzzer consultant.

Her interest in cancer stems from the pain and feelings of helplessness she felt seeing many family, friends, colleagues, and others receive a cancer diagnosis and wanting to DO something. As she went through her Naturopathy work, she learned how to approach each person from a unique perspective. Today, Jennifer uses all of her knowledge, resources and connections to be a Beacon of natural education.

Jennifer states, “I loved finding Beat Cancer as an organization because it immediately provided a community of people, resources, and credibility that took the same approach that I do with the mind/body/spirit connection, without forcing someone to do what we think is best, but instead supporting the person and their choices.”

While I was doing the course work I came up with the idea of BEACON - A Half Day Retreat for Cancer Survivors, Thrivers, and their supporters.

Listen to this podcast to learn about the modalities Jennifer uses in her practice that she is passionate about!

2:13 Jennifer’s health journey with asthma

4:03 How juicing helped Jennifer’s asthma and how food sensitivities can be a trigger.

5:00 Jennifer speaks about emotional root causes of her health issues.

7:15 Jennifer becomes a Naturopathic Dr.

9:55 “What I’m definitely most excited about is helping people get to the point of understanding a true mind, body, spirit connection through energy work, and my work as an NES (Nutra Energetic Systems) practitioner is probably one of the most exciting ways of doing that”.

10:34 Jennifer talks about how we are energy and how balancing the body field can affect the physical body.

11:06 Explanation of a scan and what it can do.

14:16 Jennifer talks about how emotions get stuck in different parts of our body and disrupt our energy field.

17:02 There’s usually emotions underlying a cancer diagnosis.

18:04 Structured water and cancer.

24:14 Reflexology as an assessment tool and for cancer. NIH gave millions of dollars to study reflexology for cancer, and the benefits for patient and their caregiver.

29:38 Infrared mat with Crystals and how it promotes circulation and helps energy flow freely by freeing up emotional or toxic blockages.

31:04 How points on the feet connect to the body.

36:16 Fasting for cancer. ProLon makes products that mimic fasting.

38:29 Jennifer finds Beat Cancer, Certified Holistic Cancer Coaching Course, Susan Silberstein, and Healing Strong.

45:29 www.urbannaturopath.com is a lifestyle brand that encourages everyone to take ancient ways of living and understanding, but makes it relevant to today. Jennifer has a year-long concierge service. She is very excited about her Beacon event 6/20.

It is a beacon of light and hope for anyone touched by cancer to see what the natural health world has to offer.

www.UrbanNaturopath.com or 586-461-1416.

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Kelly Collins is a holistic cancer coach with Beat Cancer, and she is the founder of My Vibe Life. She has a BA in Economics and Political Science from The University of Arizona, and an MBA in Business Administration from Pepperdine University. Through her 25 years in corporate America, Kelly found herself an exhausted road warrior with numerous health challenges. After growing frustrated with the medical community telling her she was fine when she knew she wasn’t, she decided to try naturopathic medicine and acupuncture. Through these things, and after eliminating all inflammatory items from her diet, Kelly not only got her health back, she was vibrant once again. She furthered her education through the Institute of Integrative Nutrition and helped her father on his journey with Non-Hodgkin’s CNS lymphoma.

Today she is empowering cancer patients, survivors, and caregivers to take control of their healing path by educating them about wellness and recovery through lifestyle change that is centered on specific nutrition, supplementation, and certain alternative therapies and modalities. Kelly also believes on focusing on people as a whole – body, mind, and spirit.

Listen to this podcast to learn about how you can live a vibrant life with a cancer diagnosis.

2:51 Kelly tells her story and how she went to a Naturopathic doctor and found out she had low vitamin D, low vitamin B 12, mercury toxicity, hypothyroidism, severe adrenal fatigue, and GI distress.

4:37 Kelly talks about removing wheat, soy, dairy, sugar, alcohol and coffee from her diet to decrease inflammation and increase brain function.

5:32 A few months prior to her dad being diagnosed with non-Hodgkin’s CNS lymphoma, Kelly enrolled in the Institute of Integrative Nutrition.

6:01 Kelly learned about alkalinity and how important it was to cancer patients who are acidic.

7:30 Her father got relief for neuropathy from acupuncture.

8:13 Kelly talks about her father’s heart issues stemming from chemotherapy and the return of his brain cancer.

10:02 Kelly talks about the importance of taking care of yourself when you are a caregiver.

10:56 Kelly is enthusiastic about the Bemer and how it improves oxygenation.

12:48 Kelly got certified as a holistic cancer coach and launched her website, My Vibe Life in honor of her dad in November 2019.

13:52 She agrees with Susan Silberstein that we don’t need more research, we need more education.

14:58 Kelly talks about the importance of people with cancer having a choice and trusting their intuition.

16:51 Kelly states, “It’s never one thing that gets us sick so it’s not one thing that gets us well”.

Kelly Collins Delray Beach, Fl 310-721-7515 [email protected] www.myvibelife.com

Complementary gift- Kelly is offering a complementary 60 minute consultation and two complementary Bemer sessions for locals to Delray Beach Florida.

Cancer coach, Healing Strong group leader, martial arts teacher and cancer thriver Jim Webb was diagnosed with intermediate stage prostate cancer in May of 2018. He was already on a path of research and education when he was diagnosed, and knew that he didn’t want to go the conventional route of treatment. Since diagnosis his passion has been leaning about and teaching holistic methods and lifestyle changes to boost the body’s ability to heal. He has been in martial arts for 17 years, is a level 3 reiki practitioner and particularly enjoys helping men on their healing journey with cancer. He works with his wife Kelly. She is a holistic health coach, reiki master, medical Qigong practitioner, and together they own Full Circle Martial and Healing Arts.

Listen to this podcast to learn about the life saving changes Jim has made on his cancer journey, and how important it is to embrace love, forgiveness, openness, spirituality, and energy healing practices such as Qigong, reiki, and meditation.

3:05 Learn about the benefits of sharing that Jim experienced as he explains how he immediately started a Facebook group called Thrive Don’t Just Survive after he was diagnosed.

4:58 Jim explains the changes he made in the areas of exercise, diet, supplements, reiki, and energy medicine. He learned by listening to The Truth About Cancer that 50% of all healing is emotional and spiritual.

6:50 Susan’s course (Beat Cancer’s Certified Holistic Cancer Coaching Course) talks about the traits that are associated with certain cancers, and the traumas we have experienced that affect our bodies on a cellular level that need to be released.

8:00 Learn what Healing Strong is about and how important support, love, and a having a higher power are to the healing process. Jim also talks about spirituality and energy medicine and how men especially need to open up and do the emotional work for healing to take place.

15:15 Forgiveness for ourselves and others is explored, and how it frees up energy for repair when we have a cancer diagnosis.

18:00 Learn about Jim’s morning routine of meditation, self-reiki, and self-love. Kelly Webb also talks about medical Qigong and how it can support the body to help with cancer. She tells us about her Facebook group people can join called Eastern Wisdom Meets Modern Lifestyle. We also talk about essential oils to use to help the senses so the body can reach the parasympathetic state of repair.

30:36 Learn how you can make an investment in your health by understanding that the skin is largest organ in the body and how important it is to use high quality products on your body as well as high quality food, water, and supplements.

32:00 Learn about the value of organic food, farmers markets, and the Environmental Working Group’s work on rating clean and dirty foods. Learn about the safety issues of EMFs and 5G. Juice Plus and the Tower Garden to grow your own food, sprouts and herbs is discussed.

38:00 Learn ways to get out of your head when you have cancer and into the flow of joy.

42:30 Beatcancer.org and Healingstrong.org benefits and the importance of prevention are discussed.

49:43 Jim and Kelly talk about their Martial arts school, Full Circle Martial and Healing Arts, where they have local classes. They are certified in adaptive martial arts and para Taekwondo. Many of their clients are 50+ years old and/or have health or body related issues.

Jim Webb (and Kelly Webb) 530-417-4415 or 4416 Cameron Park, Ca [email protected] Website: https://www.fullcirclefightnheal.com/

Cancer thriver, Eli Hans was diagnosed in 2014 with a rare and aggressive form of Non-Hodgkin lymphoma. With only a 10% survival rate, Eli reconnected deeply with this intuition and discovered life-saving, holistic and integrative strategies that helped him not only to survive, but to thrive.

Today he is a certified holistic cancer coach with Beat Cancer, life coach and a multi-passionate entrepreneur, motivational speaker and workshop leader. Learn more about Eli. 

Listen to this podcast to learn how healing is absolutely possible and how it must occur at the core level to address physical, emotional, spiritual, nutritional and other life imbalances. Eli will also explain how cancer is a multi-factorial result of factors that we can counteract to get back on the road to wellness.

1:50 Learn about how Eli did his research and came to a place of peace with his treatment decision, reframing chemotherapy            as love juice.

4:53 Eli speaks about his experience with his holistic oncologist and the balance he struck with his conventional oncologist.

5:56 Eli talks about how cancer is a multifactorial result of imbalance and what changes he needed to make on his healing journey.

7:15 When Eli hit his 5 year mark after diagnoses he decided he really wanted to help others on their cancer journey.

8:45 The cancer journey can feel endless, but it’s temporary. A cancer coach can help so much in navigating the process for the person diagnosed with cancer, and also their caregivers.

15:11 The cancer retreat in San Miguel that Eli and Joseph offer teaches the anti-cancer lifestyle and the mindset of being a cancer thriver. Eli talks about the different modalities and services offered.

19:26 Fear vs Peace is discussed as it relates to cancer, and the importance of connecting to your intuition when making decisions.

22:32 We can heal our life and attain harmony. Eli had the belief that somehow he would thrive after this experience, and that             the pain was temporary. His legacy is to help others.

Annette Tello has 25 years of experience in rehabilitation counseling and specializes in life transitions coaching. In the last five years, she has concentrated her efforts on working with women with cancer. She has developed her Creative Rx Coaching program and written an award winning book called Creative Prescriptions for Women with Cancer-Tools for Tapping into Your Stress-free, Creative, Happy Healing Space.

Art making was an instrumental tool in her own healing from cervical carcinoma in her 30s, and was also key in dealing with stress and anxiety as a child in an abusive household. 

Annette wrote Creative Prescriptions for women to explore the process of creating in a way where they could tap into the healing benefits of self-reflection and self-discovery. Creativity is a prescription to reduce stress, raise spirits, and gain a sense of control over one’s own health.

Listen to this podcast to learn about the benefits of creative expression for the healing process and how it can help to release emotions so a new authentic self can emerge. Learn about Annette’s experience with creativity and how her book and her programs can help anyone on their cancer journey. 

3:11 For the first time I experienced being mindful and completely centered and grounded. I experienced blissful moments in the creative zone. The finished products gave me things like recognition and positive praise. Art making saved my life.   5:20 In Dr Bernie Siegel’s book, Love, Medicine and Miracles he tells his patients to find something that puts them in the creative zone, because that’s the most healing state the body can be in. That can be gardening, music etc.   6:58 Creating art for product is very different than creating art for process. I wanted art to be a tool for me, not to make a living. So I got a degree in Psychology with a major in art. And then I got a Masters Degree in Rehabilitation Counseling.   8:23 My whole life had been working with people recovering from accident or illness who need to reinvent themselves.   8:39 In the last six years, I got a job with Jewish family services working with women with breast cancer. During this time I got the idea for my book. I saw women were lost and didn’t have the tools they needed for their life.   10:19 There are 6 prescriptions in the book with activities.   13:34 When you have cancer you have to heal body, mind and spirit because you are an intuitive, creative, spiritual, intellectual and emotional being and all those parts of you need to be part of the healing process.   16:57 The book is user friendly. The supplies are not a lot of money, and you don’t need to be artistic. It’s about the process of creating for healing benefits. You are in the flow, relaxing, and having fun like when we were children.   19:23 You can do the activities and get what you need in the moment, but you can go deeper and journal. This books helps people to be able to move on with their lives after treatment because they’ve dealt with their emotions.   25:55 I have found that the women that I work with and have cancer that have a strong faith, not necessarily religion, do better with treatment. A spiritual practice is a powerful tool to lean on. You can start with positive affirmations.  

 

Annette Tello M.S. San Diego, Ca 619-485-1343 [email protected] www.Annettetello.com Author: Creative Prescriptions for Women With Cancer-Amazon Upcoming: Online creative live program 2/2020 with coaching

 

 

Do you know someone that was recently diagnosed with cancer and you don’t know what to say? In this podcast, Jeanette Carbajal talks with Debra Nicholson, the Director of Community Outreach for Beatcancer.org to help you determine what not to say to cancer patients. The last thing you want to do is create guilt and shame to a patient and unwittingly impede their healing process. Jeanette teaches us how to come from a place of love and pure honesty at all times with any questions or suggestions we may give to a cancer patient. She covers topics like things you can say when you first find out, what not to say, suggesting treatment options, and what sympathetic vs. parasympathetic nervous system responses are. She suggests three questions you can ask to determine the values of your loved ones. If you are struggling to know what to say to a person in your life that was recently diagnosed, then this podcast is for you! 

1:00 What you can say to any cancer patient

3:00 What is future tripping and how to avoid it

4:00 What to say instead of “Let me know if you need anything”

5:30 Knowing the “Rules of the House”

6:35 The 2nd most disempowering questions you can ask.   8:15 Helping the caregiver

9:00 How to choose treatments that align with values

10:00 Avoiding the comparison game

12:00 Loving unconditionally

14:00 Avoiding Facebook Ads & “The Gifting Suite”

16:00 Allowing grief to happen

18:00 Three things not to say to a cancer patient   20:00 Don’t be a mind reader

21:30 Sympathetic vs. Parasympathetic nervous system responses and what they are

22:00 Learning to accept the diagnosis and denying the prognosis

24:00 How to avoid family controversy

24:30 Alternative vs. conventional cancer treatment options   26:00 3 things to understand about a cancer patient

28:00 Knowing your self worth as a cancer patient

29:00 Overcoming isolation

30:00 What you gain from group sessions

31:00 Why it’s important to find a professional to share your story and feelings with

32:00 Inviting a cancer patient to physical and outdoor activities

33:00 What to share on Facebook & creating your own group

35:00 Gifting plants & flowers

 

About Jeanette   Jeanette Carbajal CHHC, CCC, is a speaker and life mentor to cancer patients and their caregivers. She helps high achieving professional women and caregivers that are recently diagnosed. By providing individual coaching, personal caregiver support, Executive cancer coaching, and corporate cancer counseling, she helps patients and their caregivers reclaim their options, and create a healing roadmap for their families, career, and new lifestyle. Jeanette ultimately helps these women regain control in their lives once again. Phone: (562)-964-8178 Website: experiencehealthbyjeanette.com

 

Beverly Dymond is a holistic health practitioner and cancer coach. She has a counseling and social work background, but she decided to get certified in The Body Code and The Emotion Code after experiencing emotional release with a practitioner during her own journey of physical and emotional pain. Beverly believes that it is vital for people with cancer to let go of trapped negative emotions for true healing to take place; physically, emotionally, and spiritually.

Listen to this podcast to find out more about what trapped emotions are, how they affect the healing process, and how The Body Code can help with releasing them.

1:58 I was working in Mexico at a natural clinic and what I found was every person that I worked with had some trauma and/or serious emotional trouble just before diagnosis that was not being addressed.

5:06 Trapped emotions can come from childhood or your ancestors and can be passed on through generations.

6:59 Negative emotions can be trapped in an organ or a gland and they can cause pain, discomfort, or imbalances.

8:02 Trapped emotions could be grief, unforgiveness, anger etc. that can cause issues with relationships.

11:52 If you want to talk during your session you can, but if you don’t want to you can just release it. So I like that you don’t have to relive things.

14:02 I wanted to take the course so I would have more knowledge and more understanding when I’m doing the Body Code. I’m glad I did. When I work with people with cancer I feel more equipped and more understanding, and I feel that I can help people to be more empowered to make their own choices.

16:01 Cancer can bring change to your life and make your life better than it ever was. It can be a roadblock but let’s take a detour. I want to help people with that.

19:30 Before I do a session I pray because I believe this is not my work. At the end of a session I send positive energy to the person because I want them to be hopeful and excited about their life. Even if their conscious mind says everything is horrible right now their subconscious mind will except my message that this is a good life, I’ve got a good future, I will be healthy and I’m healing.