In this heartfelt and deeply personal conversation, Brooks Ruff and Tammy Cooley open up about their friendship, the winding paths that led them to leave the Mormon Church, and the challenges of illness and profound loss. Both eventually moved out of Alaska to different states, facing new beginnings while grappling with the struggles of motherhood, postpartum hardships, and the loneliness that often follows deep grief.

They dive into the complexities of their relationships, the tension that arose, and the universal desire for validation in the midst of personal upheaval. At one point, years passed without them speaking—why? What happened?

Through honesty and reflection, Brooks and Tammy explore the weight of grief, the lessons learned through hardship, and the importance of self-discovery and self-care. They also share their journey into the world of all things woo woo—embracing spirituality, healing, and the unknown. This conversation is a raw, real, and uplifting look at resilience, growth, and the unspoken struggles that shape us.

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