Our guest Geoff Lawson and host Jon Isaacson discuss examples from relational leaders in their career experiences that helped them develop their own approaches to becoming better managers.

Hear more on Episode 105 of The DYOJO Podcast titled Productivity Part 1 - Training and Expectations.

Excerpt from "So, You Want To Be A Project Manager" by Jon Isaacson, available on Amazon (thedyojo.com/book3)