Dan and Dave continue to look for strategies to save the podcast from extinction. This time they turn to two therapists - a Naomi Friesen, a music therapist and Kristiana Mininger, a speech pathologist.

Dave and Dan bring on a conservation biologist to see what it might take to save the podcast from extinction. If laughter is a survival strategy, we might make it. (Thanks to special guest, Evan Woelk Balzer, who offers a poignant reflection on the loss of song birds at the end. Check out his podcast series, Where the Bluestem Grows - it's for real!).

One of us feels the podcast might be going extinct. And a conversation about AI gets a bit heated. Lots of laughs too.

Yes, this is the episode where you find out how the triathlon turned out. Also, some remarkable moments of mistaken identity which hasn't happened in decades.

Will we be identical and wait at the finish line?? Dan reveals his approach to the triathlon.

Inda Piroli is our special guest. She grew up with twin siblings. Hearing her unpack profound identity questions and observations left us mesmerized.

Dan literally reads Dave's mind...and we analyze our penchant towards optimism or pessimism.

Dan and Dave respond to a caller's concern about quality issues on the show and grapple with cross-border treadmill synchronization.

Listeners weigh in and live audio captured on our way to the pool makes for intense deliberations.

Dan brings new research to the table that reframes the role of DNA in our attempts to become identical.