In this powerful and personal episode, Suzanne sits down with longtime friend and spiritual teacher Rev. Mark Anthony Lord to talk about what it really takes to become Spiritual AF — not in the performative, polished way, but in the messy, tender, soul-level, “I did not sign up for this but here we are” kind of way.

Mark opens up about growing up gay in a Catholic, working-class Detroit suburb, battling shame and addiction, and eventually answering the call to ministry — a path that was deeply sacred.

This convo is part sermon, part soul talk, part sassy friend date. Mark has been a huge part of Suzanne’s own spiritual evolution, and is honored to share Mark’s story and his teachings.

If you’ve ever felt like a holy hot mess, this one’s for you.

To learn more about Mark's work, go to: markanthonylord.me

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