In this episode, Bobby speaks with Markus Watson, author of Beyond Thingification. Markus is not only an author, but a pastor, host of the podcast Spiritual Life and Leadership, and a dad. They cover the topic of grief and why it's important to be active in coaching our kids through it. Grief is necessary and it is essential for us to be examples of handling grief well. We hope you enjoy the conversation! Please excuse the coughs, Bobby has been dealing with a sinus and congestion issue.