In this episode we discuss how to tap into the heart and honor our pain so we can stop hurting others through fear of our own pain. In this vulnerable, transparent and juicy conversation Mike flips the mic around on me (Kali Cathie) and puts my inner little girl center stage, we worm-hole our way through judgement, anger, pain, sadness, love and what it means to be a man in the 21st century to eventually find ourselves popping through the portal of pain into the vision of a safe and kind world for all. 

You’ll learn how to tap into your own heart, access your own pain and how to set a safe space in which you can do so being raw and vulnerable in heated conversation. You’ll also get to peek through the window of what it’s like to communicate with a man who is in touch with his heart talking with a woman navigating her own vulnerable inner child.