Your fave middle-aged mom apostates connect with their friend Shaunea, a black woman who grew up in almost exclusively white spaces when her white mother converted to Christianity in the 1980’s. Sha’s mom had the kind of testimony Evangelicals went batshit crazy for back then (and still now!)

Sha’s story about growing up black in a white Evangelical world reveals some of the deeper beliefs and White Supremacist/Christian Nationalist leanings that have been with the American Evangelical church from…probably the beginning, let’s be real. Join Lindsay, Meg, and Sarai as they listen and discover a long-suppressed reality - when people are not able to be themselves, where belonging is conditional to how one looks, acts, talks, and moves through the world - including the color of their skin (sorry, D.C. Talk - being colorblind isn’t a thing and it’s actually racist, heads up!)….well, it doesn’t do anybody any good to continue to allow that system to flourish and persist. Let’s confront some of the uglier sides of who we were as Evangelical white kids (say Lindsay, Meg, and Sarai) and learn from people who had a much more alienating and disempowering experience than we did. Which…if you’ve listened to even 10 minutes of a single episode of Holy Ghosting, you realize is saying A LOT. 

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