Below the Radar

Am Johal is joined by Eris Nyx, an artist and community organizer in Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside who advocates for tenants' rights and an end to the war on drugs. She and Am discuss the impact of COVID-19 on drug users and residents of Single Room Occupancy (SRO) hotels, and how restricting visitors in SROs and reducing access to services during the pandemic has heightened safety concerns around a volatile supply of drugs. Eris shares how the Downtown Eastside community has been organizing to respond to the several and intersecting systems of oppression they are facing.

Full episode details: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/80-eris-nyx.html

Read the transcript: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/transcripts/80-eris-nyx.html

Coalition of Peers Dismantling the Drug War:

https://www.cpddw.ca/

Downtown Eastside SRO Collaborative Society:

https://dtescollaborative.org/

Tenant Overdose Response Organizers:

https://dtescollaborative.org/toro-project/

Vision for the 100 Block report:

http://www.carnegieaction.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/DTES-Vision-for-the-100-Block-Final-1.pdf

Black Lab Arts Society:

https://www.facebook.com/BlackLabVancouver/

https://theblacklabvancouver.tumblr.com/

100 Block Rock:

https://incidentalpress.bandcamp.com/album/100-block-rock

Bio:

Eris Nyx is a queer multidisciplinary artist and community organizer living on the unceded territories of the Coast Salish people. Currently working with the Coalition of Peers Dismantling the Drug War, the Downtown Eastside SRO-Collaborative, and the Black Lab Arts Society, Nyx advocates for police and prison abolition; new models of antipsychiatry to replace the current regime of psychiatric theory and practice; ending the war on drug, and fighting against the intersectional harms wrought by colonization, capitalism, and other system of oppression. Most recently she helped to produce and publish a record of Downtown Eastside musicians entitled 100 Block Rock – which showcases a compilation of Vancouver BC's most marginalized community of artists.

Cite this episode:

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Johal, Am. “End the Drug War — with Eris Nyx.” Below the Radar, SFU’s Vancity Office of Community Engagement. Podcast audio, October 8, 2020. https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/80-eris-nyx.html.

Elvy Del Bianco of Vancity Credit Union speaks to the power of cooperatives to help communities meet their own needs. He is in conversation with host Am Johal about the role coops can play in the production of social goods, and how they can support communities of entrepreneurs, small businesses, non-profits, and workers through solidarity and infrastructure. They also discuss the Vancity Emilia-Romagna Co-operative Study Tour and how this particular area of northern Italy has what Elvy calls, “the most significant cooperative economy on earth.” It’s also a region that sees some of the lowest poverty rates and highest levels of civic engagement in Italy. Am and Elvy discuss how similar cooperative policies and models could be implemented in BC and Vancouver to bolster communities, address precarious work, and deliver much needed services.

Full episode details: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/79-elvy-del-bianco.html

Read the transcript: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/transcripts/79-elvy-del-bianco.html

About the Vancity Emilia-Romagna Co-operative Study Tour:

https://www.vancity.com/lang/en/AboutVancity/VisionAndValues/CooperativeModel/CoopSupport/CoopStaffEducation/

Cooperate Now co-op business boot camp:

https://bcca.coop/programs-services/training-workshops/

“Seven Ways to Grow BC’s Co-op Sector” by Elvy Del Bianco

https://www.policynote.ca/seven-ways-to-grow-bcs-co-op-sector/

BC Co-op Association:

https://bcca.coop/

Bio:

Elvezio (“Elvy”) Del Bianco is a cooperative enterprise educator, developer, financier and advocate. He coordinates Vancity’s support for new and established cooperatives, co-founded and organizes the Cooperate Now co-op business boot camp, co-authored the “Seven Ways to Grow BC’s Co-op Sector” policy document, and works to build out the infrastructure to support new cooperative enterprises.

Cite this episode:

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Johal, Am. “Cooperative Economics — with Elvy Del Bianco.” Below the Radar, SFU’s Vancity Office of Community Engagement. Podcast audio, October 6, 2020. https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/79-elvy-del-bianco.html.

Justine A. Chambers and Laurie Young see choreography in everything. Both are deeply interested in the daily movements that make up the choreographies of our lives, and in capacity to use dance as a political tool. As two dance artists, mothers, and women of colour, the two came together across continents to co-create “One hundred more,” a dance performance portraying the gestures of resistance. Through structured improvisation and moving together, the piece explores the politics of movement and the many ways of embodying the refusal to submit. In this episode, Justine and Laurie are in conversation with Am Johal about their shared work, the radical centering of care and wellness in their collaborations, as well as the social choreographies and relational choreographies that can be found in the everyday.

Full episode details: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/78-justine-a-chambers-laurie-young.html

Read the transcript: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/transcripts/78-justine-a-chambers-laurie-young.html

About “One hundred more” by Justine A. Chambers and Laurie Young:

https://justineachambers.com/2020/01/06/one-hundred-more/

Video documentation of “One hundred more”:

https://www.tanzforumberlin.de/en/production/one-hundred-more/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V6nVkA9QIE

Watch the video recording of this interview:

https://youtu.be/COVdHCst7CU

Bio:

Justine A. Chambers is a dance artist living and working on the unceded Coast Salish territories of the Sḵwx̱wú7mesh, Musqueam and Tsleil-Waututh Nations. Her movement based practice considers how choreography can be an empathic practice rooted in collaborative creation, close observation, and the body as a site of a cumulative embodied archive. Privileging what is felt over what is seen, she works with dances that are already there – the social choreographies present in the everyday. She is Max Tyler-Hite’s mother.

Laurie Young is a Berlin based Canadian dance artist who focuses on the embodiment of unauthorized histories and their representation and how relationships are choreographed between human and other than human beings in the theater, museum and city. Along with her own choreographies, Laurie has been busy with transdisciplinary projects between arts and science and is a triple fellow of Volkswagen Foundations Arts and Science and Motion. Her work has been presented at the Sophiensaele, Naturkundemuseum Berlin, The Australian Museum, Haus der Kulturen der Welt, Martin Gropius Bau amongst others. She is currently a recipient of the Tanzpraxis scholarship of the Senatverwaltung für Kultur und Europa 2020/2021.

Cite this episode:

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Johal, Am. “One Hundred More — with Justine A. Chambers and Laurie Young.” Below the Radar, SFU’s Vancity Office of Community Engagement. Podcast audio, October 1, 2020. https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/78-justine-a-chambers-laurie-young.html.

Yulanda Lui and Rachel Lau share experiences from the making of the radio documentary series “Speak My Language,” which highlights the stories of Chinese-Canadian seniors facing barriers in accessing the BC healthcare system. A project of Yarrow Intergenerational Society for Justice, the radio pieces were created in collaboration with youth and seniors under the mentorship of project coordinator and lead artist Rachel Lau with the support of Yarrow co-founder Yulanda Lui. This episode is hosted by our Office’s previous communications coordinator, Rachel Wong, and touches upon ethical community-based storytelling and accessing healthcare for non-English speakers.

Full episode details: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/77-yulanda-lui-rachel-lau.html

Read the transcript: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/transcripts/77-yulanda-lui-rachel-lau.html

Listen to the radio documentaries:

https://www.yarrowsociety.ca/speakmylanguage

Bio:

Rachel Lau is a community-engaged artist, writer, and radio producer based in what’s colonially known as “Vancouver." Through audio storytelling, photography, and zine-making, they produce work that grapples with ideas and feelings around resistance, longing, transience, death, and decay. As part of their audio practice, they have produced several narrative radio documentaries focused on the lives of marginalized peoples, including Vancouver’s Chinatown community. More recently, they have expanded their practice into the realm of sound art. Rachel is also a recent graduate of the media studies program at the University of British Columbia, with a minor in Asian Canadian & Asian Migration studies. YULANDA LUI Yulanda Lui is from Toronto, the territory of the Huron-Wendat, the Seneca, and the Mississaugas of the Credit River. She graduated from UBC in 2017 with a BA in Gender, Race, Sexuality & Social Justice and a minor in Asian Canadian and Asian Migration Studies. At UBC, she was the primary coordinator of The Pride Collective at UBC, organizing fellow student volunteers to support and improve the health and safety of queer and trans students. In 2018, Yulanda co-founded Yarrow Intergenerational Society for Justice, a non-profit organization that provides and enables services, advocacy, and education that develop youth and senior leadership and build community power in Vancouver's Chinatown and the Downtown Eastside. Yulanda is a strong believer that relationships are at the core of social change. Starting this fall, Yulanda will be attending the New York University School of Law as a Root-Tilden-Kern public interest scholar. She hopes to use her law degree to continue to empower her communities, to advocate for the rights of marginalized peoples, and to break down barriers to accessing health, education, social support, and justice.

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Wong, Rachel. “Intergenerational Storytelling with Chinatown Seniors — with Yulanda Lui and Rachel Lau” Below the Radar, SFU’s Vancity Office of Community Engagement. Podcast audio, September 29, 2020. https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/77-yulanda-lui-rachel-lau.html

Faranak Farzan works at a fascinating intersection of engineering and neuroscience — innovating technological solutions to mental health issues like depression and addiction. Using the concept of brain plasticity, Faranak speaks to host Am Johal about how technological interventions can help the brain to rewire itself. She delves into the exciting opportunities neuroengineering presents for streamlining diagnosis and treatment, reducing the burden on patients who often go through years of trial-and-error before being matched with the right treatment. They also discuss Faranak’s research specific to youth mental health, the ethical implications of neurotechnology, and the importance of community perspectives in co-creating brain health solutions.

Full episode details: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/76-faranak-farzan.html

Read the transcript: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/transcripts/76-faranak-farzan.html

e-Brain Lab:

http://ebrainlab.ca/about-us/

Faranak’s President’s Faculty Lecture: A Neuroengineering Lens into Treatment of Youth Mental Health and Addiction (Feb 2020):

https://youtu.be/G02OKf8r5ho

Bio:

Dr. Farzan is the Chair in Technology Innovations for Youth Addiction Recovery and Mental Health at the School of Mechatronic Systems Engineering at SFU. Dr. Farzan is the founder and Scientific Director of Centre for Engineering-Led Brain Research at SFU. She has obtained her Bachelor in Electrical and Biomedical Engineering from McMaster University, her PhD in Biomedical Engineering and Medical Science from University of Toronto, and her Postdoctoral training in Cognitive Neurology from Harvard Medical School. Prior to joining SFU, she was Assistant Professor of Psychiatry at The University of Toronto, and Independent Scientist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health. Dr. Farzan leads a unique research program at the cross section of Engineering and Neuroscience. The program is aimed at development and practical implementation of neurotechnology and computational approaches for studying human brain health and function, and for diagnosis and treatment of neuropsychiatric disorders. Dr. Farzan has authored over 70 peer-reviewed journal articles, and her work has received funding from prestigious agencies such as CIHR, NSERC, CFI, CIHR, NIMH, NARSAD, Brain Canada, Kids Brain Health Network, and Michael Smith Foundation for Health Research.

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Johal, Am. “Neuroengineering and Brain Plasticity — with Faranak Farzan.” Below the Radar, SFU’s Vancity Office of Community Engagement. Podcast audio, September 24, 2020. https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/76-faranak-farzan.html.

From Mister Rogers to radioactive frogs, Below the Radar dives into the nuclear imaginary with SFU Associate Professor of Sociology Lindsey Freeman as she recounts the atomic culture she was brought up in. In this episode, Lindsey is in conversation with Am Johal about her new book, “This Atom Bomb in Me,” a reckoning with our nuclear past that resonates with the present moment. Through Lindsey’s experiences of growing up in the Manhattan Project secret city, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, the book traces the radiating influence of the arms race on American politics and culture. Lindsey also speaks to her current projects, including a trip to Chernobyl, the impact of rain on Vancouver’s social mood, and a fascination with miniatures and the uncannily small.

Full episode details: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/75-lindsey-freeman.html

Read this transcript: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/transcripts/75-lindsey-freeman.html

Lindsey Freeman’s website:

http://www.lindseyfreeman.net/

This Atom Bomb in Me (Stanford University Press, 2019):

https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=29326

Bio:

Lindsey A. Freeman is a writer and sociologist interested in atomic culture, feelings, memory, poetics, and rain. Freeman is author of This Atom Bomb in Me (Redwood Press/Stanford University Press) and Longing for the Bomb: Oak Ridge and Atomic Nostalgia (University of North Carolina Press), and editor of The Bohemian South: Creating Counter-cultures from Poe to Punk (University of North Carolina Press). Freeman is an Associate Professor of Sociology at Simon Fraser University and an Affiliated Researcher at the Espaces et Sociétés (Space and Society Center) at the University of Caen-Normandy.

Cite this episode:

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Johal, Am. “This Atom Bomb in Me — with Lindsey Freeman.” Below the Radar, SFU’s Vancity Office of Community Engagement. Podcast audio, September 22, 2020. https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/75-lindsey-freeman.html.

Leilani Farha has a long history of advocacy around poverty and housing, in Canada and beyond. She is in conversation with Am Johal following her tenure as the United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Right to Housing, a post that saw her travelling the world to connect with people who were struggling with inadequate and precarious housing or homelessness, and to work with governments to uphold housing as a human right.

In this interview, Leilani speaks to concerning patterns in housing globally, including homelessness, evictions, unaffordability, and the financialization of housing. They discuss opportunities in Canadian housing policy, Vancouver’s housing crisis, and the incredible importance of having a safe place to call home during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Full episode details: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/74-leilani-farha.html

Read the transcript: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/transcripts/74-leilani-farha.html

Watch a video recording of this interview on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEbFe2Z3za0&t

Make the Shift: https://www.make-the-shift.org/

PUSH, a film following Leilani Farha’s work as a UN Special Rapporteur: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/pushthefilm

“When governments sell out to developers, housing is no longer a human right,” an op-ed by Leilani Farha for The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/29/governments-developers-housing-human-right

“How the real estate financial model is harming us,” a TEDx talk by Leilani Farha (2018): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve_-FbNvy0w

United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Right to Housing: http://www.unhousingrapp.org/

National Right to Housing Network: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?v=PEbFe2Z3za0&event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbXNNZVlsSV94d0pZQUtJSUFEdDVKVnljNGtBd3xBQ3Jtc0traUUxa2NaSkpvSEFLMkl5MENLTkctZlZWRTFSekNZRDN2d2VEc3hwVUdCdzFTV1lvUWo5bWpuQUczS3FsREl3SmNMVkM3SUMyNm5QNXd6aHVZamRObGZUaVJnaU5OZmhZRmxacDZDSHNXWUFsWDduUQ%3D%3D&q=https%3A%2F%2Fcaeh.ca%2Fnnrhn-launches-today%2F%3Fgclid%3DCjwKCAjwzIH7BRAbEiwAoDxxTtJYmqQsd-1No-7pSneMw896CU6oF1jwF7sZDqYvsyG5z0kjnNcovxoCwW4QAvD_BwE

Bio:

Leilani Farha is the former UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Housing and Global Director of The Shift. Her work is animated by the principle that housing is a social good, not a commodity. Leilani has helped develop global human rights standards on the right to housing, including through her topical reports on homelessness, the financialization of housing, informal settlements, rights-based housing strategies, and the first UN Guidelines for the implementation of the right to housing. She is the central character in the documentary PUSH regarding the financialization of housing, screening around the world. Leilani Launched The Shift in 2017 with the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights and United Cities and Local Government.

Cite this episode:

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Johal, Am. “The Human Right to Housing — with Leilani Farha.” Below the Radar, SFU’s Vancity Office of Community Engagement. Podcast audio, September 17, 2020. https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/74-leilani-farha.html.

Finding a lack of space for experimentation and play in Vancouver’s theatre scene, New(to)Town Collective formed to provide accessible, low-barrier physical theatre training to the community. Our host, Am Johal speaks to two of the collective’s founding artists and alumni of SFU’s School for the Contemporary Arts, June Fukumura and Anjela Magpantay. They discuss barriers facing emerging artists in the city, as well as how they embrace messiness and opportunities for interdisciplinary collaboration in their by-donation Training Jams. The collective blends different artistic practices in their training and in the creation of new works, spanning from clowning to contemporary dance, to playwriting, to dramaturgy and more. Anjela and June also give Am a taste of what goes on in a Training Jam, guiding him through a sound and movement exercise.

Full episode details: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/73-june-fukumura-anjela-magpantay.html

Read the transcript: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/transcripts/73-june-fukumura-anjela-magpantay.html

About New(to)Town Collective:

http://www.newtotowncollective.com/about.html

Bio:

June Fukumura is an award winning Japanese-Canadian theatre artist based in Vancouver, BC. She is the Co-Artistic Director of Popcorn Galaxies, an experimental theatre company that has produced over ten independent productions presented at Centre A, Vancouver Fringe Festival, BC Culture Days, and the rEvolver Festival. Additionally, June is the Co-Founder of New(to)Town Collective an artist collective with a mandate to create new experimental works; provide ongoing accessible physical theatre training; and experimental research workshops in Vancouver. June is the creator and performer of My Name is SUMIKO, a one woman clown performance featuring June’s alter ego, Sumiko. This show was produced by New(to)Town Collective and won the Public Market Pick of the Fringe Award at the Vancouver Fringe Festival in 2019.She has studied Grotowski inspired physical theatre, Pochinko clowning, directing, dramaturgy, devising, and improvisation. Her practice is a blend of experimental contemporary theatre and clown, site-responsive and site-specific art making, embodied performance techniques, and community engaged theatre and education.

Anjela Magpantay is an immigrant, actor, producer, teacher, director, and collaborator with various artists of different disciplines. After co-founding New(to)Town Collective, she has gone on to intensely study Grotowski and Clown training to bring back to the Collective. She has worked internationally, touring the UK with Foreign Radical by Theatre Conspiracy and toured to Hong Kong with A Wake of Vultures for their newly devised piece Walking at Night by Myself by Nancy Tam. Anjela is currently honing her leadership skills and specializing as a Cultural Consultant in multilingual Filipinx plays. Anjela holds a BFA from SFU's theatre program and continues it's rigorous training lineage in New(to) Town's Training Jams.

Cite this episode:

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Johal, Am. “Training and Jamming with New(to)Town Collective — with June Fukumura and Anjela Magpantay.” Below the Radar, SFU’s Vancity Office of Community Engagement. Podcast audio, September 8, 2020. https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/73-june-fukumura-anjela-magpantay.html.

With the rise of podcasting as a forum for academic conversations and as a teaching tool, Hannah McGregor of SFU’s Publishing department set out to investigate — and enact — podcasting as a form of scholarly communication, knowledge mobilization, and open pedagogy. Hannah is in conversation with host Am Johal about her research into the exciting potentials of scholarly podcasting, and the power of the podcast as a grassroots, decentralized medium.

Full episode details: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/72-hannah-mcgregor.html

Read the transcript: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/transcripts/72-hannah-mcgregor.html

About Hannah McGregor:

https://hannahmcgregor.com/

Open Peer Review for Secret Feminist Agenda:

https://www.wlupress.wlu.ca/Scholarly-Podcasting-Open-Peer-Review/Secret-Feminist-Agenda

Podcasting and Digital Intimacy – A blog post by Hannah McGregor:

https://publishing.sfu.ca/2020/08/podcasting-and-digital-intimacy/

Hannah’s recommended pods:

Sandy & Nora Talk Politics (https://sandyandnora.com/)

FANTI (https://maximumfun.org/podcasts/fanti/)

Rude Tales of Magic (https://www.rudetalesofmagic.com/)

Bio:

Hannah McGregor is an Assistant Professor of Publishing at Simon Fraser University, where her research focuses on podcasting as scholarly communication, systemic barriers to access in the Canadian publishing industry, and magazines as middlebrow media. She is the co-creator of Witch, Please, a feminist podcast on the Harry Potter world, and the creator of the weekly podcast Secret Feminist Agenda.

Cite this episode:

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Johal, Am. “Podcasting as Scholarship — with Hannah McGregor.” Below the Radar, SFU’s Vancity Office of Community Engagement. Podcast audio, September 8, 2020. https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/72-hannah-mcgregor.html.

Am Johal is joined by Maltese-American cartoonist Joe Sacco, renowned for his long-form graphic journalism and field work in conflict zones and places where people are facing displacement and dispossession. They discuss his new book, “Paying the Land,” dealing with the painful history of the relationship between Indigenous peoples and resource extraction in northern Canada, as well as overarching themes of dispossession, the violence of settler-colonialism, and the bonds between people and land that are prominent in his work. Joe also shares some of his upcoming projects and touches on the intensification of political tensions in Portland, OR, where he lives.

Full episode details: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/71-joe-sacco.html

Read the transcript: https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/transcripts/71-joe-sacco.html

Watch a video recording of this interview:

https://youtu.be/QPIcjakI1PU

Paying the Land:

https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781627799034

Reviews:

https://thetyee.ca/Culture/2020/08/12/Joe-Sacco-North-What-Remains-Paying-Land/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/joe-sacco-nwt-dene-comic-graphic-novel-1.5640360

Revisit past talks by Joe Sacco, hosted by SFU’s Vancity Office of Community Engagement:

https://youtu.be/E7L3TI3_AiQ (2016)

https://youtu.be/JTUaxhY9S0c (2013)

Bio:

Joe Sacco is the author of Footnotes in Gaza, for which he received an Eisner Award and the Ridenhour Book Prize, as well as Palestine, Journalism, Safe Area Goražde (also an Eisner winner), and other books. His works have been translated into fourteen languages and his comics reporting has appeared in Details, The New York Times Magazine, Time, and Harpers. He lives in Portland, Oregon.

Cite this episode:

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Johal, Am. “Paying the Land — with Joe Sacco.” Below the Radar, SFU’s Vancity Office of Community Engagement. Podcast audio, August 27, 2020. https://www.sfu.ca/vancity-office-community-engagement/below-the-radar-podcast/episodes/71-joe-sacco.html.