The NFC North just got mean again.

In this hour of Jen, Gabe & Chewy, the crew reacts to the moment that officially reignited the Packers–Bears rivalry: Ben Johnson’s postgame “bleep the Packers” behavior, including a dismissive handshake and trash talk that rubbed Green Bay fans — and players — the wrong way.

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Chewy doesn’t mince words, calling Johnson a “dweeb,” while also admitting the uncomfortable truth:

He’s also really, really good at his job.

That tension becomes the backbone of the hour.

🔥 Is this good for the game?

Jen argues the NFL is simply better when the Bears and Packers genuinely hate each other — not just in marketing slogans, but in real, visceral ways. The group debates whether we’ve actually ever seen both franchises be good at the same time, and whether this moment could finally change that.

They compare this rivalry flashpoint to:

Jim Harbaugh vs. Jim Schwartz

Aaron Rodgers’ “I own you” moment

David Bakhtiari’s middle finger

Old-school intimidation tactics that used to define rivalries

Hate, they agree, isn’t the problem — losing is.

🥊 Can the Packers punch back?

The key question of the hour:

Do the Packers actually have the horses to respond — or are they just talking?

The crew points out the uncomfortable reality:

Green Bay lost to Chicago

Lost in embarrassing fashion

Collapsed in the second half

Allowed Caleb Williams to run free

Couldn’t claim moral victories or trash-talk credibility

As one line lands hard:

You can’t pop off when you lost to that guy.

🧠 Matt LaFleur under the microscope

The conversation shifts to leadership and identity. If Ben Johnson is embracing the villain role, can Matt LaFleur ever be the type of coach who leads a team that punches back physically and emotionally?

The crew debates:

LaFleur’s “call my lawyer” vibe

Game-management issues that keep resurfacing

Whether this team lacks intimidation

If being “nice” has become a competitive disadvantage

🎩 Tip your cap… but hate him anyway

The hosts wrestle with a strange contradiction:

You can hate Ben Johnson’s behavior — but when you add “and he’s really good”, the insult loses its bite.

That realization fuels the frustration even more.

📊 Are Packers fans really enjoying this?

The hour closes with a bizarre stat from a new study ranking the Packers as the 3rd most enjoyable NFL team to root for.

The crew reacts with disbelief:

Five straight losses

A playoff embarrassment

Key injuries (Micah Parsons, Tucker Kraft)

Half the fan base wanting the coach fired

Is this actually enjoyable — or are fans just nostalgic for better days?

They break down why Packers fandom always ranks high:

National fan base

Historic success

Lambeau Field as a destination

Ticket demand skewing perception

But Jen asks the real question:

Are fans enjoying this right now — or just remembering when they used to?

🎧 Rivalry heat, uncomfortable truths, and the realization that hate is only fun when you can back it up — all on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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