I had the good fortune to meet Ben Sandell on a speaking trip to Finland.

We shared a ride back and forth between Helsinki and the location where I spoke. That gave us more than four hours of talk time in the car. A friendship was born.

The conference was amazing with 1,500-plus Charismatic Lutherans seated in bleachers in the public space of an indoor shopping mall/sports center. The Finns are very inventive people and the mall was amazing. The response of the people made it even better.

Because of the unity between state and church the concept of "church planting" is not acceptable. So young leaders are planting "communities." Cultures vary from country to country but the basics of making disciples and multiplying believing communities remain much the same.

Hope you enjoy this turnabout podcast...

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