What happens when a staff pastor walks away from full-time ministry…with no plan, no job, and no safety net?

In Part 2 of this conversation, Ralph Moore talks with Yvonne Nash about the leap that changed everything.

After sensing God was calling her to step away from church staff ministry, Yvonne took a season of rest—and then began experimenting online. Not to build a platform, but to build relationships.

What followed was unexpected:

• A growing TikTok community
• Live “chapels” centered on real life: anxiety, marriage, identity, faith
• And thousands of people engaging the gospel in a space many pastors dismiss

This episode isn’t a how-to on social media growth. It’s a sober, honest look at obedience, risk, and why God doesn’t waste any part of your story—before or after Jesus.

If you’ve ever sensed God calling you forward without explaining how…this conversation will resonate deeply.

Yvonne Nash didn’t grow up in church. She grew up above her parents’ bar in Milwaukee, exposed early to a world most kids never see.

Years later, a simple invitation to feed the homeless changed everything.

In this conversation, Ralph Moore talks with Yvonne about:

• Why attending church didn’t transform her (but discipleship did)
• What raw, first-generation faith looks like today
• Why Gen Z conversions don’t look like past revivals
• And how God is reaching thousands through TikTok, not church buildings

Yvonne is now an ordained pastor discipling people online who have no religious memory to return to—only hunger, wounds, and questions.

Chestly planted a church and did everything the prevailing model taught him. He was miserable. Depressed. The church wasn't growing fast enough. Then a pastor he hadn't talked to in a decade sent him a Facebook message: "Your only job is to love my people." That changed everything. This episode wrestles with significance versus success. Stage speaking versus real relationships. Why digital community is as real as physical. How AI and social media are tools—like axes, useful or dangerous depending on whose hands they're in. You'll hear about Christian influencers reaching millions, shepherds guiding people in digital spaces, and why five-year plans don't work anymore. Technology doubles human knowledge every 16 to 18 months. Churches move slower. That's okay. Community never goes out of style. Focus there. Use whatever tools reduce friction. That's not digital ministry. That's just ministry in the digital age.

Sunday-centric churches get three to four hours a week with their people. Social media gets two to three hours a day. You can fight that reality or you can work with it. Chestly breaks down the difference between digital noise and actual community. He walks through Paul's hub strategy in Ephesus—how the Roman road system created a first-century network that looks surprisingly like what we have now. You'll learn Rick Warren's stages of community and why most churches stop short. Discover why your Sunday morning event might be keeping you from building the structures where people actually grow. This isn't about killing the mega church. It's about understanding what serves what. The best part? Mid-sized churches have a secret advantage. You can move fast. You're relational. You don't need new buildings or staff. You just need to flip the model right-side up.

Chestly Lunday grew up in ministry. His dad pioneered churches before anyone called it church planting. At 18, Chestly started a youth church in a skating rink—90 kids in six weeks. Then the Negative Nancy's showed up. They told him it wasn't biblical. Couldn't work. Shouldn't be done. He listened. Big mistake. This conversation traces Chestly's journey from military service to dying church turnarounds to discovering something unexpected: digital spaces aren't competing with physical church. They're extending it. You'll hear about section eight housing ministry, young professionals who wouldn't step foot in a building, and Gen Z kids who DM while sitting in the same room. The church is changing. The question isn't whether you like it. The question is whether you'll pay attention.

The hard truth: what's holding back your church is probably between your two ears.

This conversation gets uncomfortable. We talk about why growth stalls, why some pastors waste time with the wrong people, and how to prioritize ruthlessly. Jared's had prophetic words about a large church, but right now he's stuck. The answer isn't working harder—it's working smarter.

We cover the ABC priority system that can restructure your whole week. Why you should never start a house church in your own home. How to use YouTube as a tool to strengthen community, not just advertise. The power of prayer walking when you're actually trying to meet people, not just blessing houses. And why making a big deal out of Easter and Christmas isn't sell-out attractional—it's strategic.

If you're thinking about quitting, listen to this first. Growth happens when you stop doing churchy things that don't matter and start doing the few things that do.

We end with homework: make an action plan. What did the Spirit say to you? What are you going to do about it? How can someone help?

Here's what's broken: Jared can work 60 hours a week, but he's not playing basketball with anyone. And basketball matters in South LA.

This conversation gets practical fast. We dig into why community is the thing that actually makes churches grow—not better preaching, not cooler programs, but people doing life together. Why serving coffee after church was once considered radical. How asking three simple questions in a small group changes everything. And why the horizontal relationships in your church matter more than you think.

We talk about the difference between being busy and being efficient. Between filling your calendar with church stuff and spending time with people who might become the next generation of leaders. Jared's wrestling with how to build real friendships at scale when his church has pockets of community but not enough.

There's a reason people leave through the back door. Usually it's not the sermon. It's that they never connected with anyone.

Jared Hurst flew helicopters in the Marine Corps. Now he pastors in one of the toughest neighborhoods in Los Angeles.

This is a conversation about sacrifice. About what it looks like when someone with serious credentials chooses hard ground over easy opportunity. Jared could have taken a staff position at a big church. Instead, he's in South LA, running between two locations, investing in young men who sometimes disappoint him, and figuring out how to build something that lasts.

We talk about his journey from basketball dreams and aviation to that moment in his car when God's presence overwhelmed him. How nine people got baptized in his living room the first month. Why he took on a second church in Pasadena when his heart was already in South LA. And the tension of serving two congregations while trying to raise leaders in both.

If you're in a hard place right now, this one's for you.

In the third and final part of Ralph Moore’s conversation with Josh Burnett, we dive into the nuts and bolts of Church.Tech. Josh demonstrates how pastors can upload sermons and instantly generate transcripts, summaries, small group questions, YouTube chapters, podcasts, and even children’s ministry curriculum.

The episode also highlights tools that transform sermons into short, shareable video clips, complete with captions, translations, and scheduling across multiple platforms. For bivocational pastors, small churches, and leaders looking to multiply their content without multiplying their workload, these tools are a game changer.

Check out the video version: https://youtu.be/-NjnsiiWWJw?si=vM2nH9AEZM6f9iR8

In part two of Ralph Moore’s conversation with Josh Burnett, the focus shifts to how Church.Tech is reshaping the way pastors and leaders use their time. Josh explains how AI-powered tools can give back the equivalent of four full work weeks every year—freeing leaders to spend less time behind a screen and more time with people.

This episode unpacks the connection between nonprofits and church innovation, explores fundraising strategies that actually work, and highlights how Church.Tech supports sermon preparation, discipleship resources, and social media content. Whether you’re a bivocational pastor, microchurch leader, or simply overwhelmed with ministry tasks, this is a practical look at technology that makes disciple-making more effective.

Check out the video version: https://youtu.be/j1axuSiOCpg?si=m5Bi4bDVC_SM4jVl