Chestly Lunday grew up in ministry. His dad pioneered churches before anyone called it church planting. At 18, Chestly started a youth church in a skating rink—90 kids in six weeks. Then the Negative Nancy's showed up. They told him it wasn't biblical. Couldn't work. Shouldn't be done. He listened. Big mistake. This conversation traces Chestly's journey from military service to dying church turnarounds to discovering something unexpected: digital spaces aren't competing with physical church. They're extending it. You'll hear about section eight housing ministry, young professionals who wouldn't step foot in a building, and Gen Z kids who DM while sitting in the same room. The church is changing. The question isn't whether you like it. The question is whether you'll pay attention.