Best Hire Ever

Welcome to Best Hire Ever, the podcast about hiring top talent with undeniably talented corporate leaders, recruiters and candidates hosted by Kris Dunn, Kinetix CHRO and partner (Founder of Fistful of Talent, The HR Capitalist and author of The 9 Faces of HR) Today KD interviews friend and mentor Harry Joiner to talk about how great candidates look on LinkedIn vs. their resume.

1:45: KD starts the episode by introducing Harry and talking about his origin story with his first eCommerce search.

5:15: KD and Harry talk about the recruiter grind, Harry discusses his personal journey and how long it took for him to go out on his own as a specialty headhunter in his 40s.

12:45: KD and Harry discuss the concept of the resume simply being in place to generate a LinkedIn search when it comes to candidates involved in high end searches

15:45: Harry discuss what happens when he's on call with private equity types for a major search and presents resumes – they all start looking up the candidate online and the connections they have for on LinkedIn.

18:00: Harry says, resumes aren't dead, yet. You can still include more insider information on resumes that can't be promoted on LinkedIn but Harry says candidates need to be more specific on their skills in their LinkedIn Bio

19:50: KD and Harry talk about the dangers of listing your side hustles on LinkedIn, but how you can list those skills in another way.

22:05: Harry breaks down the concept of Price's law of Economics, which basically means that the square root of any candidate pool in any industry is generating 50% or more of the value.

28:35: KD and Harry discuss the need for focus and identity in high end candidates, how overlap with positions can hurt them and make them look like less than the idea candidate.

Resources:

Kinetix

Harry Joiner on LinkedIn

Ecommerce Recruiter

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Boss Leadership Training Series

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

Kris Dunn on Twitter

Kris Dunn on Instagram

KD's Book - The 9 Faces of HR

Welcome to Best Hire Ever, the podcast about hiring top talent with undeniably talented corporate leaders, recruiters and candidates hosted by Kris Dunn, Kinetix CHRO and partner (Founder of Fistful of Talent, The HR Capitalist and author of The 9 Faces of HR) Today KD interviews Liz Desio, a resident of NYC and HR Pro. They talk about Liz's personal experience with a COVID-19 lay-off, writing, and HR.

1:08: KD introduces Liz, HR Pro and Candidate! KD gives some backstory on how they were introduced and why she's on BHE

4:45: Liz takes us through her career. UVA grad, move to Brooklyn, hustling, getting hired in first HR job (hard knock life), getting out, getting a really good job in HR and then hitting COVID.

14:33: Liz's take on being a new manager and the challenges she faced dealing with imposter's syndrome.

16:05: KD asks Liz to share the story of getting laid off during Covid – You can check out her article here: https://medium.com/@lizdesio/making-peace-with-getting-laid-off-9bead164c43a

25:33: KD then pivots to reflective Liz, the one that wrote the post comparing herself to an early character on The Wire who gets killed off in season 1 - https://medium.com/@lizdesio/when-trying-to-switch-career-fields-makes-you-feel-like-dangelo-from-the-wire-4102c0bded99

33:48: KD and Liz discuss his take that recruiting prepares you to be an HR Generalist better than most.

40:15: KD asks Liz what your dream job is in HR. They discuss.

Kinetix

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Boss Leadership Training Series

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

Kris Dunn on Twitter

Kris Dunn on Instagram

KD's Book - The 9 Faces of HR

Liz Desio on Medium

Liz Desio on LinkedIn

On the second episode of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks to Connie Costigan, VP of Communications and Brand Advocacy at Saba Software, about her key in making great hires - the ownership mindset. Connie and KD discuss the challenges of identifying hires with the ability to create and display total ownership as part of the interviewing process.

Related topics discovered and discussed include "storming and norming" and "Connie time", which is really just KD trying to poke fun at Connie and throw her off her game. Connie has none of it, and deflects KD's attempts to disrupt like the communications leader she is!

Deep cuts on this podcast include early lessons from hiring L's, as well as how Connie goes deep in her interviews to uncover ownership markers and the ying/yang nature of humility and ownership mindset as candidates navigate any interview process.

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:30 - KD intros the podcast by gushing about Connie's management style and team - Connie does the "aw shucks" thing.

6:20 - Buzzword alert!! Connie talks about Storming and norming. KD loves it and is going to use it daily.

8:40 - Connie talks about what she learned from early hiring stumbles.

16:00 - Connie tells the story of a past CEO taking her down (for growth!) related to thinking she had to be the smartest person in the room.

16:45 - Connie breaks down her formula for her Best Hires Ever - seeking candidates who are 1) experts in what they do, 2) having humility as part of a team, and 3) THE KEY - having an ownership mindset where they get things done in fluid, ever-changing environment with limited hand-holding.

16:45- KD and Connie talk about hiring subject matter experts who know more than you do as a manager.

17:45 - Connie breaks down the need for humility as part of team as part of her formula for making a great hire. KD and Connie have a conversation around the fact that interviewing is a balancing act for candidates - they really have to talk about all the great things they do, but do it in a way that doesn't seem ego-filled. Connie breaks down the markers for humility as part of an interview process - balancing the fact they did great individual things, but had to have other people involved to get it done.

21:30 - Connie and KD break down ownership mindset - Connie breaks down her specific view of what it is, how to identify it, etc. Connie talks about the need to maintain visibility as a leader to what others are doing. Gold standard for ownership mindset - "I don't have to tell you what to do or how to do it.'

23:00 - Connie talks about the markers you'll hear in an interview that indicate someone has an ownership mindset. KD points out that this is all full of peril for anyone who's interviewing with Connie.

2538- Connie and KD talk about behavioral assessment markers that show someone has an ownership mindset. Cognitive/assertiveness/rules orientation. They end up talking about how they use manuals (spoiler - they don't)

28:50 - Connie talks about the need for people with an ownership mindset also being creators in your company.

Best Hire Ever with Kris Dunn gets kicked off with this mini-episode describing what the podcast is about, who he'll talk to and why it matters. Start here if you want the Jerry McGuire-like mission statement from KD.

Resources:

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

Kris Dunn on Twitter

Kris Dunn on Instagram

KD's Book - The 9 Faces of HR