Best Horse Practices Podcast

This is Episode 27 of Season 3. I decided to do something a bit different with this episode. While I'm mostly a journalist, I have had some fun dabbling a bit with fiction. This story was published in my first book A Rider's Reader. You can find it exclusively in the Cayuse Communication library. Scroll to the bottom.

I think it's a good one for Mother's Day. If you enjoy it, let me know.

A few notes from sponsors:

We have several discounts going on. Check out Best Horse Practices sister site, NickerNews, for codes to stuff, including: Bobo's Bars for your saddle bag. Zealios for your glamping. And Chill Angel, for your apres ride.

Our title sponsor is Lucerne Farms, producers of quality forage feeds. Forage is chopped, packaged hay. Sometimes it's alfalfa, sometimes timothy, sometimes blended, and sometimes with a touch of molasses. Always scrumptious. After hay and grass, it's pretty much the best alternative and a great way to supplement feed for your hard keeper.

Big thanks to Redmond Equine and Pharm Aloe – for generously sponsoring our podcast. Check out Pharm Aloe's aloe pellets and Redmond's Rock on a Rope. We think you'll love 'em.

Also thanks to Patagonia WorkWear for their continued support. Check out the all season vest or the light and soft but tough ranch jacket – two great tops for this time of year. Both are made of hemp which has an already-broken in feel while also being super durable.

Give us feedback, suggest a topic or guest, or make a donation and you'll be automatically entered to win one of two free Patagonia WorkWear items that we give away every month. Don't forget that Redmond Equine is sending a complimentary syringe of Daily Gold Stress Relief to everyone who drops a tip in our donation jar. Pretty cool and a $15 value. If you get something of value from our podcast, please consider making a donation. We sure would appreciate it.

That's it. Another episode in the can and out of the barn. Thanks for listening, y'all!

This is Episode 26 of Season 3 and in it, Jec and I talk with Dr. Sheree King about science, specifically equine research. But it's also a conversation of how to consider science in today's world of scholarly access, social media, and, quite frankly, the troubling politics around scientific information.

For most of my life, I have embraced science, research, the power of the scientific method, putting ideas out there and testing them. I've conducted research and I've assisted others with research projects. In case you were noodling on just what science is -- it is the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation, and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained.

I am happy to approach my horse work with a critical eye nurtured, I think, by my science-y background. Do you consider your horse work like this? We would love to hear from you.

Dr. King is a founding board member and a keynote presenter at the Best Horse Practices Summit. We wanted to chat with her about how horse studies can influence riders and horse owners, how equine research can inform or, unfortunately, mislead folks, and how as information consumers, we really need to have an open mind and a critical eye towards horse studies.

We talk specifically about a Equine Guelph study involving 20 ponies and their ability to "read facial expressions" of humans. Here is the study and here is a YouTube video with the studies' author, Dr. Katrina Merkies.

We also talk about how to tell good science from, well, less good science. Check out some Best Horse Practices articles calling out sketchy science here and here.

A few notes from sponsors:

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Our title sponsor is Lucerne Farms, producers of quality forage feeds. Forage is chopped, packaged hay. Sometimes it's alfalfa, sometimes timothy, sometimes blended, and sometimes with a touch of molasses. Always scrumptious. After hay and grass, it's pretty much the best alternative and a great way to supplement feed for your hard keeper.

Big thanks to Redmond Equine and Pharm Aloe – for generously sponsoring our podcast. Check out Pharm Aloe's aloe pellets and Redmond's Rock on a Rope. We think you'll love 'em.

Also thanks to Patagonia WorkWear for their continued support. Check out the all season vest or the light and soft but tough ranch jacket – two great tops for this time of year. Both are made of hemp which has an already-broken in feel while also being super durable.

Give us feedback, suggest a topic or guest, or make a donation and you'll be automatically entered to win one of two free Patagonia WorkWear items that we give away every month. Don't forget that Redmond Equine is sending a complimentary syringe of Daily Gold Stress Relief to everyone who drops a tip in our donation jar. Pretty cool and a $15 value. If you get something of value from our podcast, please consider making a donation. We sure would appreciate it.

Welcome to Best Horse Practices with Jec Ballou. My name is Maddy Butcher. I produce this podcast and I would love to know what you think of our intro:

Our show is a space for riders and horse owners of all disciplines to learn best practices and to discover ways to better connect with their horses. Plus, we like to feel safe and have fun. Fitness, of mind and body, the ability to think critically about our horse work as well as embracing a beginner's mind, are all parts of this lucky equine equation that Jec and I hold dear.

So, yes, let me know what you think.

We offer these shows for free. If you think it's worthy of a small contribution, we sure would appreciate it.

This is Episode 25 of Season 3 and in it, Jec and I have an On the Fence discussion around a number of topics, including a great question sent in by a listener. We talk about breed bias and the stories we tell ourselves, we talk about best practices within a barn's lesson program, and more. As always, reach out if you would like a question answered or to give us feedback.

A few notes from sponsors:

We welcome Bobo's Bars to the show. Bobo's are oat bars, made here in Colorado. They are gluten free and use non-GMO ingredients. My fav is peach, but consider stashing peanut butter chocolate chip or cranberry orange in your saddle bag or glove compartment. Use "BESTHORSEVIP" for 20 percent off your order at EatBobos.

Speaking of good items for your saddle bag or glove compartment, Jec and I will be reviewing products from Zealios soon. Zealios makes sunscreen, recovery, anti-chafe, and shower products, especially for athletes. They have zinc sunscreen without the white, chalky mess. Check them out at TeamZealios and use the code 'besthorsepractices' for 20 percent off.

Our title sponsor is Lucerne Farms, producers of quality forage feeds. Forage is chopped, packaged hay. Sometimes it's alfalfa, sometimes timothy, sometimes blended, and sometimes with a touch of molasses. Always scrumptious. After hay and grass, it's pretty much the best alternative and a great way to supplement feed for your hard keeper.

Here's the Washington Post op-ed.

An important point that Jec has brought up is exercise and how, really, that should be prescribed more than drugs or injections or whatever. If you need more convincing, check out her books here. I have several books, too, and you can find them here.

Big thanks to Redmond Equine and Pharm Aloe – for generously sponsoring our podcast. Check out Pharm Aloe's aloe pellets and Redmond's Rock on a Rope. We think you'll love 'em.

Also thanks to Patagonia WorkWear for their continued support. Check out the vest or the ranch jacket – two great tops for this time of year. Both are made of hemp which is soft and already broken in while also being super tough. Barbed wire resisant!

Give us feedback, suggest a topic or guest, or make a donation and you'll be automatically entered to win one of two free Patagonia WorkWear items that we give away every month. Don't forget that Redmond Equine is sending a complimentary syringe of Daily Gold Stress Relief to everyone who drops a tip in our donation jar. Pretty cool and a $15 value. If you get something of value from our podcast, please consider making a donation. We sure would appreciate it.

That's it. Another episode in the can and out of the barn. Thanks for listening, y'all!

This is Episode 24 of Season 3 and in it, Jec interviews Daniel Dauphin of Dauphin Horsemanship. He was also a 2022 Best Horse Practices Summit presenter. It's a great conversation, in part, because in their work Jec and Daniel are not seeing the same clients or the same horses. At all. Jec is in California and works with dressage and endurance riders. Daniel is in Louisiana and his students are mostly Western riders.

They talk about pain – what it means to the horse and what it means to the horse owner. As it happens, I've written about pain and thought a lot about how we interpret or fail to interpret representations of pain in our animals. For generations, I feel like many owners did a pretty good job of ignoring signs of pain in their horses. Now, especially in quarters dominated by women, the trend is toward being overattentive around pain. Injections, supplements, even blankets and body massage appointments are all efforts to limit or avoid possible pain for our beloved equines. We can be guilty of killing horses with overcare, overkindness – that is, treating them with things when what they really need is movement and a herd, forage, and more movement. Both Daniel and Jec cite examples of horses' problems being solved with more movement.

Motion is lotion.

We will link to several articles on Horse Head and Best Horse Practices. There's an article on the grimace scale, an attempt by a team of international researchers to delineate pain through facial expressions. And there is an article about components of pain for us humans – like anticipation, distraction, and how pain becomes chronic.

Our title sponsor is Lucerne Farms, producers of quality forage feeds. Forage is chopped, packaged hay. Sometimes it's alfalfa, sometimes timothy, sometimes blended, and sometimes with a touch of molasses. Always scrumptious. After hay and grass, it's pretty much the best alternative and a great way to supplement your winter feeding. Check them out here or at your local feed store.

I imagine that you have reactions around this interview and the points Jec and Daniel hit upon and I would be happy to hear them.

It just so happens that I have been thinking a lot about how different people, with different backgrounds, effect change for horses. Daniel brought up the legislation around soring and how, because of the crafted language, it had the potential to bring into question every aspect of horse keeping – right down to whether or not we should be riding.

This spring, here in Colorado, we had a state legislative effort around horse slaughter. You might be thinking – horse slaughter is bad, any legislation around horse slaughter is a good thing. But I read the legislation. It was absurd and had the potential, I think, to have the opposite impact that the authors intended. More suffering, instead of less.

Consider the horse Daniel inherited as a total loss, after spending years isolated and in a stall. And how his stiffles healed with turnout. I was thinking about this on my drive to town, during which I drive past a horse, who has been wearing a blanket the entire winter. That horse has had a blanket on since November, in zero degrees and on this day, 50 degrees and sunny. Its human, I'm sure, feels she's doing good. But I don't know. I felt really bad for this horse.

Certainly, I think, we need to acquire and use as much knowledge around horse behavior, horse anatomy, horse physiology to take care of them well. But we also need be extra mindful of killing them with kindness. Overfeeding, overindulging, and basically replacing their simple needs with our more complicated, material, and immediate-gratification oriented mindsets.

Read more about the Care Continuum.

Read Dr. Sheryl King's articel on Care.

Big thanks to Redmond Equine and Pharm Aloe – for generously sponsoring our podcast. Check out Pharm Aloe's aloe pellets and Redmond's Rock on a Rope. We think you'll love 'em.

We want to introduce Bobo's Bars to our show. Bobo's are oat bars with simple ingredients – chocolate chip, apple, coconut, dark chocolate, sea salt and almond, and my favorite, peach. Use the code BestHorseVIP to get 20 percent off your first order. Just head to here and drop in that code.

Also thanks to Patagonia WorkWear for their continued support. Comment, suggest a topic or guest, let us know how we're doing, or make a donation and you'll be automatically entered to win one of two free Patagonia WorkWear items that we give away every month.

Also, don't forget that Redmond Equine is sending a complimentary syringe of Daily Gold Stress Relief to everyone who drops a tip in our donation jar. Pretty cool and a $15 value. Also, everyone who donates is automatically entered to win our monthly Patagonia Workwear giveaway. We give away two items – jackets, shirts, vests, pants – every month to folk who engage with our podcast. If you get something of value from our podcast, please consider making a donation. We sure would appreciate it.

That's it. Another episode in the can and out of the barn. Thanks for listening, y'all!

This is Episode 23 of Season 3 and in it, I'm going to talk a bit about brain science as well as a scary colic incident.

You can find articles on vision science here and here. It's fascinating stuff! You will learn about place cells, grid cells, boundary cells, and more.

Did you know? Place cells – some of the hundred billion neurons in the brain – are individual neurons that fire when an animal is in a specific location. The rate at which certain neurons fire depends on the animal's location.

One cell may fire when an animal is on the corner of a particular space; another may fire when it is along a boundary. Those cells fire again only when the animal returns to that specific location.

Place, according to horses' brains, is largely determined by what they see with their eyes. But it is also framed by their movement (which is embodied by distance and direction). Smell and touch matter less but also can play a role in place cell firing, especially if vision is compromised.

Learn more at HorseHead.

About colic:

As we heard from Dr. Sheryl King at the Best Horse Practices Summit, there are several specific factors that can put horses at lower or higher risk for colic. It follows the three F's: friends, forage, freedom. In other words, don't isolate them, feed them hay or grass and try to limit or even eliminate grain, and let them move. Don't keep them in a stall.

Those are rules I've followed consistently for about 20 years. And yet.

Read more about colic.

Take the Equine Guelph colic risk calculator quiz.

Our title sponsor is Lucerne Farms, producers of quality forage feeds. Forage is chopped, packaged hay. Sometimes it's alfalfa, sometimes timothy, sometimes blended, and sometimes with a touch of molasses. Always scrumptious. After hay and grass, it's pretty much the best alternative and a great way to supplement your feed, especially for harder keepers.

Big thanks to Redmond Equine and Pharm Aloe – for generously sponsoring our podcast. Check out Pharm Aloe's aloe pellets and Redmond's Rock on a Rope. We think you'll love 'em. Redmond Equine sends a complimentary syringe of Daily Gold Stress Relief to everyone who drops a tip in our donation jar. Pretty nifty and a $15 value.

We thank Kate's Real Food and Patagonia WorkWear for their continued support.

Also, all donors are automatically entered to win our monthly Patagonia Workwear giveaway. That's where we give away two items – jackets, shirts, vests, pants – every month to folks who engage with our podcast. You don't have to donate. You can also suggest an interviewee or a topic or just let us know how we're doing. If you get something of value from our podcast, please consider making a donation.

It's good to remind listeners of our mission once in a while. Here it is:

Our show is a space for riders and horse owners of all disciplines to learn best practices and to discover ways to better connect with their horses. Plus, we like to feel safe and have fun. Fitness, of mind and body, the ability to think critically about our horse work as well as embracing a beginner's mind, are all parts of this lucky equine equation that Jec and I hold dear.

We offer these shows for free. If you think it's worthy of a small contribution, we sure would appreciate it.

This is Episode 22 of Season 3 and in it, Jec interviews Lynn Acton, the author of What Horses Really Want, for Coaches' Corner, to answer a listener question. Our listener, Ann, writes about her recovering-from-injury mare and the vet's guidance of slowly getting back to more exercise. The concern is around Ann's horse being too exuberant, rip-roaring to get back to exercise and movement that might compromise her careful rehab. What options and strategies does she have?

It's an interesting conversation and I admit that there are things I would not have thought of. But there are also things that I thought of that aren't mentioned. For instance, ponied the rehabilitating horse. Or jogging with her. Stay tuned for the outro as I have a question for you!

Our title sponsor is Lucerne Farms, producers of quality forage feeds. Forage is chopped, packaged hay. Sometimes it's alfalfa, sometimes timothy, sometimes blended, and sometimes with a touch of molasses. Always scrumptious. After hay and grass, it's pretty much the best alternative and a great way to supplement your winter feeding.

There were a few minutes that were edited out because of audio quality. But during that time, Jec and Lynn talked a bit about music and how incorporating it into your horse work can be helpful and engaging to the horse. Jec has found, for instance, that horses she has trained for musical freestyle work can learn to cue to the music. There is some research around the effects of music on horses, but in my opinion it is more click bait than good science and it has been frustrating to see that kind of work get a lot of unmerited attention.

Anyway, I put it to you: What are your thoughts around music and horses?

Big thanks to Redmond Equine and Pharm Aloe – for generously sponsoring our podcast. Check out Pharm Aloe's aloe pellets and Redmond's Rock on a Rope. We think you'll love 'em.

We thank Kate's Real Food and Patagonia WorkWear for their continued support.

Redmond Equine is sending a complimentary syringe of Daily Gold Stress Relief to everyone who drops a tip in our donation jar. Pretty cool and a $15 value. Also, everyone who donates is automatically entered to win our monthly Patagonia Workwear giveaway. We give away two items – jackets, shirts, vests, pants – every month to folk who engage with our podcast. If you get something of value from our podcast, please consider making a donation. We sure would appreciate it.

That's it. Another episode in the can and out of the barn. Thanks for listening, y'all!

This is Episode 21 of Season 3 and in it, Jec is back and interviewing Kristen Vliestra, who runs Saddlery Solutions in California. Jec and Kristen have talked before about saddle fit and in this episode, Jec asks some particular questions that have been bugging her for a while.

As I found out while recruiting Kristen for the saddle fit elective at the Best Horse Practices Summit, she knows a lot. A lot about how people ride. A lot about horse anatomy. A lot about saddle construction and the consequences of an ill-fitting saddle.

Our title sponsor is Lucerne Farms, producers of quality forage feeds. Forage is chopped, packaged hay. Sometimes it's alfalfa, sometimes timothy, sometimes blended, and sometimes with a touch of molasses. Always scrumptious. After hay and grass, it's pretty much the best alternative and a great way to supplement your winter feeding.

Lots to consider here in this interview, especially as it's spring and a lot of us are starting back up with our equines, after a long time off. It's good to remember that you can't just jump on as if it were September. And it's good to consider fitness – not just your horse's but yours, too. Read articles on Rider Fitness.

And what do you think about bareback riding? I ask because I spent several years when I was a girl just riding bareback. My pony was over 14 hands and I was about 120 pounds. She never got lame. Maybe I just got lucky? Maybe I was light and athletic enough so that my weight didn't aggravate her back? Anyway, I credit all the time bareback riding for giving me a bit better balance and feel than I think I would have had.

Let us know if you have any thoughts around bareback riding.

And big thanks to Redmond Equine and Pharm Aloe – for generously sponsoring our podcast. Check out Pharm Aloe's aloe pellets and Redmond's Rock on a Rope. We think you'll love 'em.

We thank Kate's Real Food and Patagonia WorkWear for their continued support.

Redmond Equine is sending a complimentary syringe of Daily Gold Stress Relief to everyone who drops a tip in our donation jar. Pretty cool and a $15 value. If you get something of value from our podcast, please consider making a donation. We sure would appreciate it.

That's it. Another episode in the can and out of the barn. Thanks for listening, y'all!

Please accept my apologies as we initially uploaded an erroneous file for this great episode. Sorry times ten!

We offer these shows for free. If you think it's worthy of a small contribution, we sure would appreciate it.

This is episode 20 of season 3 and we have the second and final installment of Summit storytelling! These stories were recorded at the Best Horse Practices Summit, the conference that I direct.

Last week on the podcast, we featured Josh Nichol, Katrin Silva, and Nahshon Cook. Today, it's Daniel Dauphin, Patrick King, and Amy Skinner.

Our storytelling sessions are roughly based on the following parameters: stories must be around 10 minutes or less. They must be true and told in first-person. They must not be a rant of any kind.

I think you will agree that these stories help us appreciate that even very successful horsemen and women, people who may be our role models and mentors, are still human, with their own paths and struggles, successes and failures. It's nice to take a break from our typical podcast fodder, I think, and dive into the stuff that has shaped who these clinicians are at this point in their lives and careers and how they got there.

You'll also here board member Marika Saarinen in this recording, as she served as our emcee. Oh, and stay listening after the storytelling as we have another poem by Sampson Moss, a talented horseman and hat maker from Alberta. He'll recite his poem, Fixin' Fence.

Our title sponsor is Lucerne Farms, producers of quality forage feeds. Forage is chopped, packaged hay. Sometimes it's alfalfa, sometimes timothy, sometimes blended, and sometimes with a touch of molasses. Always scrumptious. After hay and grass, it's pretty much the best alternative and a great way to supplement your winter feeding.

Sampson Moss is a cowboy, cowboy poet, hat maker, and heavy duty mechanic. He majored in agribusiness in college and was raised in southern Alberta, Canada. Did I mention he makes beautiful hats? For information on ordering a custom hat, head over to Prairie Wind Hat Works.

Read Sampson's poem, Fixin' Fence.

Big thanks to Redmond Equine and Pharm Aloe – for generously sponsoring our podcast. Check out Pharm Aloe's aloe pellets and Redmond's Rock on a Rope. We think you'll love 'em.

We thank Kate's Real Food and Patagonia WorkWear for their continued support.

By the way, Redmond Equine is sending a complimentary syringe of Daily Gold Stress Relief to everyone who drops a tip in our donation jar. Pretty cool and a $15 value. If you get something of value from our podcast, please consider making a donation. We sure would appreciate it.

That's it. Another episode in the can and out of the barn. Thanks for listening, y'all.

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This is Episode 19 of Season 3 and it's another special detour of sorts, this time to the storytelling that was featured on Saturday night at the Best Horse Practices Summit at Spy Coast Farm in Lexington, Kentucky, late last year. The storytellers are Josh Nichol, Katrin Silva, and Nahshon Cook. Also featured at Spy Coast that evening were Daniel Dauphin, Patrick King, and Amy Skinner. You'll hear their stories on another upcoming show. Our storytelling sessions are roughly based on the following parameters: stories must be around 10 minutes or less. They must be true and told in first person. They must not be a rant of any kind.

I think you will agree that their stories help us appreciate that even our heroes and role models are still human, with their own paths and struggles, successes and failures. It's nice to take a break from typical podcast fodder and dive into the stuff that has shaped who these clinicians are at this point in their lives and careers.

Apologies for the challenging audio quality. The files came to us from video recordings.

You'll also here board member and emcee Marika Saarinen in this recording. Oh, and stay listening after the storytelling as we have another treat. Sampson Moss, a talented horseman and hat maker from Alberta, will recite his poem, Heirlooms.

Our title sponsor is Lucerne Farms, producers of quality forage feeds. Forage is chopped, packaged hay. Sometimes it's alfalfa, sometimes timothy, sometimes blended, and sometimes with a touch of molasses. Always scrumptious. After hay and grass, it's pretty much the best alternative and a great way to supplement your winter feeding. Check them out at Lucerne Farms.com or at your local feed store.

Sampson Moss is a cowboy and hat maker I met over the past year or so. He writes:

The first time I started playing around with felt hats was in 2015 when I began reshaping them for myself and friends in my college dorm kitchen. This eventually developed into rebuilding hats for folks all around North America.

At the start of 2020, I drove down to Newcastle, Utah, to apprenticed under Chaz Mitchell, who runs Chaz Mitchell Custom Hatz. It took me about a year to get my ducks in a row with tools, suppliers, and materials. In January of 2021, I produced Number One of Prairie Wind Hat Works. Since then, each hat I make has an accompanying serial number and my client's name stamped into a goatskin sweatband.

Aside from being a hatmaker, I'm also I'm also a dayworking cowboy, cowboy poet, a musician, and heavy duty mechanic. I majored in agribusiness in college. I was raised in southern Alberta and am currently situated near Pincher Creek.

For information on ordering a custom hat, head over to Prairie Wind Hat Works.

Read more about Sampson Moss and his poetry.

Big thanks to Redmond Equine and Pharm Aloe – for generously sponsoring our podcast. Check out Pharm Aloe's aloe pellets and Redmond's Rock on a Rope. We think you'll love 'em.

We thank Kate's Real Food and Patagonia WorkWear for their continued support.

By the way, Redmond Equine is sending a complimentary syringe of Daily Gold Stress Relief to everyone who drops a tip in our donation jar. Pretty cool and a $15 value. If you get something of value from our podcast, please consider making a donation. We sure would appreciate it.

That's it. Another episode in the can and out of the barn. Thanks for listening, y'all!

We offer these shows for free. If you think they're worthy of a small contribution, we sure would appreciate it.

This is Episode 18 of Season 3 and it's an On the Fence segment in which Jec and I discuss a prompt from Art, a listener in Michigan. It concerns how best to introduce a non-horse-y person to the horse experience. I think we have some good starting points and will look forward to any suggestions you all might like to add.

Just a humble disclaimer here: I finally got Covid. Or, should I say, I have finally run into the energy-sapping, isolation-requiring wall that is Covid. It's had me sleeping half the day, coughing up a fit, and it has robbed me of brain cells I thought I had. I'm starting to feel better, but, boy, it's been a haul. I sure hope you all are healthy and staying warm this winter.

Our title sponsor is Lucerne Farms, producers of quality forage feeds. Forage is chopped, packaged hay. Sometimes it's alfalfa, sometimes timothy, sometimes blended, and sometimes with a touch of molasses. Always scrumptious. After hay and grass, it's pretty much the best alternative and a great way to supplement your winter feeding. Check them out here.

Big thanks to Redmond Equine and Pharm Aloe – for generously sponsoring our podcast. Check out Pharm Aloe's aloe pellets and Redmond's Rock on a Rope. We think you'll love 'em.

We thank Kate's Real Food and Patagonia WorkWear for their continued support.

By the way, Redmond Equine is sending a complimentary syringe of Daily Gold Stress Relief to everyone who drops a tip in our donation jar. Pretty cool and a $15 value. If you get something of value from our podcast, please consider making a donation. We sure would appreciate it.

That's it. Another episode in the can and out of the barn. Thanks for listening, y'all!