Today we're speaking with Beth Thoren, Deputy CEO of Client Earth, and someone who's spearheading a huge and exciting drive to create 20,000 jobs in nature through a new National Nature Service.

We start our chat today about this big new idea and then discuss her role at Client Earth. Before then Beth shares her fascinating career story to date, which has seen her working in the US Merchant Navy, before landing key roles such as Head of Digital Marketing at the BBC, and Director of Fundraising and Communications, at the RSPB, which is one of the world's biggest nature conservation charities.

Beth then finishes up the podcast really by talking about her thoughts about how to switch careers into nature conservation. It's a wide ranging and inspiring chat, which I know you're going to love.