This week we’re getting into what it takes to close the gap in the building industry — Sammy discusses not just pushing the top end higher, but bringing the bottom up with better standards, better expectations and a closer look at what our trade schools are producing.

We chat about the upcoming Bathurst pilgrimage, with the boys gearing up to hit the road in a few weeks. Joel talks systems… again — and, annoyingly, proves us wrong… again.

We get into the old apprentice mentality of going out and absolutely sending it all weekend, but still rocking up Monday morning because you didn’t want to let the team down. That rolls into a bigger conversation around smoko culture — putting the phone down, actually talking to the other trades on site and keeping alive the camaraderie that makes this industry what it is.

Hoppo also talks about not letting some random stranger on Instagram, sitting behind a username and ragging on your work, stop you from chasing opportunities and living out your goals.

Plus, we crown another DeWalt Mad Dog Giveaway winner and start talking plans for the Between Two Jobs Christmas Breakup — LIVE podcast event.

The boys are back for Episode 4, and as usual, we cover a bit of everything.

Sammy talks about going from green to just mean, we get into on-site fashionand what’s acceptable on the tools, and Joel opens up about the driving factor behind running his own business.

We’ve also got another Mad Dog, some Bathurst talk, and a special appearance from Johno the Plumber.

Plenty of trade chat, business, laughs and absolute carry-on.

Would you do your apprenticeship differently if you had your time again?

In Episode 3, Sammy looks back at his apprenticeship and questions whether spending more time across different areas of carpentry would have made him a better tradesman.

Joel talks about why buying software won’t magically fix a disorganised business. Before any system can work, you need disciplined processes, clear expectations and a team willing to follow them.

Hoppo opens up about what work-life balance actually looks like while running a business and co-parenting. Some days he starts late, some days he leaves early, and he’s stopped pretending that every successful business owner needs to work the same hours every day.

Then Joel gets fired up in Sticky Situation about people blatantly asking for free business coaching, including one bloke who wanted him to hand over the names of his customers.

Real conversations about apprenticeships, business systems, family and where helping someone crosses the line.

Between Two Jobs is proudly presented by DeWalt, Guaranteed Tough.

Joel’s systems segment is proudly supported by AroFlo.