In this episode of Beyond Billables, host Stephen Rodney speaks with Sarah Lee, former Head of Disputes and Investigations at Slaughter and May, about her journey through the legal profession and what it takes to become a successful partner. Drawing from over two decades at one of the UK’s top firms, Sarah reflects on the evolving nature of leadership, diversity, and culture in law. From career pivots to life after partnership, she shares lessons that go beyond the billables.

Sarah Lee spent 21 years as a partner at Slaughter and May, where she led the Disputes and Investigations Group and served on the firm’s Partnership Board. A trailblazer in diversity, she was also the firm’s first partner responsible for inclusion and held influential roles in legal recruitment and judicial appointments. Now retired from practice, she holds multiple non-executive and advisory positions across the public and non-profit sectors.

Expect to Learn

• How career detours can lead to lasting success in law
• What makes a successful law firm partner in today’s landscape
• The real impact of leadership roles on personal growth
• Why adaptability and openness are critical to legal careers
• How to plan and transition smoothly into life beyond law

Episode Breakdown with Timestamps

• [00:00] - Teaser
• [00:54] - Introduction: Welcoming Sarah Lee
• [02:10] - Sarah's Unconventional Journey to Law
• [05:41] - Defining a Successful Partner's Attributes
• [10:33] - The Transition and Reality of Being a Partner
• [16:30] - The Juggling Act of Management and Client Work
• [18:25] - Identifying Future Talent and the Importance of Resilience
• [21:36] - Firm Culture, Meritocracy, and Evolution on Diversity
• [26:25] - Stepping into Leadership: Becoming Head of Department
• [30:34] - The Success of Lateral Associates and Cultural Adaptation
• [37:55] - Best and Worst Moments of Partnership
• [41:47] - Reflections: What to Do Differently and Key Mentors
• [47:37] - Off-Ramping: Using External Roles to Transition
• [51:30] - Advice for Planning a Life Beyond Partnership
• [54:40] - One Golden Rule for a Successful Partner

Connect with Sarah Lee:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-lee-a0a2a21b7/ 
• Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/rare-technology-linkedin/
• 2nd Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/smart-works-charity/
• 3rd Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/slaughter-and-may/
• 4th Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/islington-giving/

Connect with Stephen Rodney:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/
• Company’s Website: https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/
• Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/

Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:

• Website: https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/

Listening Links: 

• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&nd=1&dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4
• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311
• Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l

In this episode, host Stephen Rodney sits down with Sarah Rees, a leading partner in the commercial litigation team at Blake Morgan, who shares her journey from trainee to partner. She reflects on key leadership lessons, navigating the challenges of work-life balance, and the future of law firms in an evolving legal world. With decades of experience, Sarah offers invaluable insights into managing teams, integrating laterals, and what makes a successful law firm partner.

Sarah Rees is a respected partner at Blake Morgan, a prominent national law firm, where she leads the commercial litigation team in London. With a career spanning over three decades, Sarah has played a pivotal role in the growth and success of her team, earning recognition as a leading partner in her field. She is also an elected member of Blake Morgan’s Strategy Board, where she contributes to the firm’s direction and development. Known for her practical approach to leadership and deep commitment to mentoring future legal talent, Sarah continues to shape the next generation of lawyers while actively promoting a balanced, inclusive work culture.

Expect to Learn:

• The critical skills of successful law firm partners beyond just billables
• The importance of teamwork in litigation and leadership
• The impact of agile working on work-life balance
• How AI and evolving business models are shaping the future of law firms
• Mentoring the next generation of successful partners

Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:

• [00:00] – Teaser
• [01:26] – Welcome to Beyond Billables & Introduction of Sarah Rees
• [04:41] – The Three T’s: Tenacious, Tough, Team Player
• [06:56] – Why Litigation Can Be More Forgiving for Working Parents
• [10:44] – Partnership: The Beginning of Responsibility, Not the End Goal
• [12:32] – The Transition from 'Jobbing Partner' to Law Firm Leader
• [16:27] – The Board Election Process: Manifestos and Campaigning
• [18:23] – Best and Worst Moments as a Partner
• [19:52] – The Transformational Impact of Agile Working
• [21:49] – The Pitfalls of Mandating Office Attendance
• [22:56] – Sarah's Experience with Lateral Integration via Mergers
• [27:39] – The Realities of Internal Integration for New Hires
• [30:35] – Making Friends with Clients: A Litigator's Strategy
• [32:11] – How Strong Client Relationships Build a Competitive Advantage
• [36:26] – Future Factors for Success: Agile Working, AI, and Firm Consolidation
• [39:26] – The Rise of Boutiques and New Law Firms like Keystone
• [41:39] – Three Non-Negotiable Behaviours for Team Success
• [42:53] – One Golden Rule for a Successful Partner: Just Keep Going

Connect with Sarah Rees:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-rees-5ba93211/
• Company’s Website: https://www.blakemorgan.co.uk/
• Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/blake-morgan-llp/

Connect with Stephen Rodney:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/
• Company’s Website: https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/
• Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/

Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:

• Website: https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/

Listening Links: 

• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&nd=1&dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4
• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311
• Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l

In this episode, host Stephen Rodney sits down with John Balsdon, a former senior partner at Latham & Watkins and a seasoned leader in the energy and infrastructure project finance sector. John discusses his dynamic legal career, from his early days as a partner to his decision to retire and pursue a passion for photography. He shares invaluable insights into what it takes to be a successful law firm partner, leadership qualities, and the importance of emotional intelligence (EQ) in building strong professional relationships.

John also reflects on the significant moments that shaped his career, including his experience managing global projects, dealing with client relationships, and navigating the ever-evolving legal landscape. He gives an inside look at his journey from Moscow to London and his transition from practice to retirement.

Expect to Learn:

• Key attributes that contribute to success as a law firm partner
• The role of EQ in leadership and client relations
• Lessons learned from high-stakes moments in law practice
• Insights into navigating lateral moves and transitioning between law firms
• John's thoughts on the future of law, AI integration, and agile working

Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:

• [00:00] – Teaser
• [01:11] – Introduction to John Balsdon and His Legal Career
• [02:52] – The Accidental Lawyer: John's Unconventional Start
• [04:19] – The Sink-or-Swim Opportunity in Moscow
• [06:21] – The Three Key Attributes of a Successful Partner
• [09:43] – Learning the Importance of Cross-Selling in Moscow
• [11:42] – How to Inspire Teams and Take Responsibility
• [13:53] – The Brutal Art of Client Prioritization
• [15:39] – Why Moscow Was Essential for His Career Survival
• [18:47] – The Difficulties of Returning to London and Integrating
• [22:24] – Pivoting a Practice to Fit a New Firm's Culture
• [26:31] – Adapting to the High-Stakes Platform at Latham & Watkins
• [29:01] – A Lesson in Pivoting from the 1998 Russian Default
• [32:31] – Why Lateral Hires Fail: Ego vs. Curiosity
• [36:47] – How Origination Credit Really Works at a US Firm
• [40:41] – Best and Worst Moments: Growing Talent vs. Being Thrown Under the Bus
• [44:04] – Reflections and Regrets: Work-Life Balance and Early Ego
• [48:37] – The Future of Law: The Impact of AI and Agile Working
• [53:07] – Planning the Off-Ramp: From Law Partner to Photographer
• [58:24] – Three Non-Negotiable Behaviors for a Successful Team
• [58:40] – The Golden Rule for Success: Be Authentic

Connect with John Balsdon:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbalsdon/
• Company’s Website: https://alwayslooktwice.com/
• Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/always-look-twice/

Connect with Stephen Rodney:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/
• Company’s Website: https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/
• Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/

Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:

• Website: https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/

Listening Links: 

• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&nd=1&dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4
• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311
• Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l

In this episode of Beyond Billables, Stephen Rodney is joined by Simon Bushell, the Founding Partner at Seladore Legal, a conflict-free litigation boutique. Simon shares his journey through top UK and US law firms before founding his own firm. With over 30 years of experience in commercial litigation and fraud cases, Simon discusses the key attributes of successful law firm partners, the challenges of integrating into different firm cultures, and the unique skills required for litigators and transactional lawyers. This episode offers a wealth of insights for anyone in the legal field, especially those looking to understand the transition to partnership and leadership.

Expect to Learn:

• What it takes to become a successful partner and remain one
• How drive, ambition, and firm culture shape a partner's career
• The importance of client relationships and understanding firm dynamics
• Why transitioning to a boutique litigation firm requires different skills
• How to build a successful legal team and avoid common integration pitfalls
• The role of emotional intelligence and psychology in successful litigation

Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:

• [00:00] - Introduction to Simon’s Career
• [02:59] - What Defines a Successful Partner
• [04:47] - The Role of Drive and Background
• [06:42] - Differences in Firm Cultures
• [09:37] - Integration Challenges in New Firms
• [12:33] - Attributes for Litigators vs. Transactional Lawyers
• [16:45] - Building Celador Legal
• [21:28] - Best and Worst Moments as a Partner
• [23:54] - Mentorship, Negotiation & Team Building
• [31:04] - Lateral Moves and Misalignments
• [41:22] - The Future with AI and Confidentiality Risks
• [46:42] - Final Golden Rule

Connect with Simon Bushell:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonbushellseladore/
• Company’s Website: https://seladorelegal.com/
• Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/seladore-legal/

Connect with Stephen Rodney:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/
• Company’s Website: https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/
• Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/

Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:

• Website: https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/

In this episode, host Stephen Rodney sits down with Karen Seward, Director at Seward Advisory Limited, who has held influential leadership positions throughout her legal career. Karen offers a candid and insightful reflection on what it takes to succeed in Big Law from succeeding as a partner to navigating leadership and cultural integration. With firsthand experience leading offices, shaping global strategies, and mentoring future leaders, Karen shares critical lessons on values, resilience, and reinvention in the evolving legal landscape.

Karen Seward recently retired from A&O Shearman after over 20 years of service, including roles as Global Head of Litigation, Co-Chair Americas, and Executive Committee member. Known for her culture-first leadership, Karen led the firm’s expansion on the U.S. West Coast and played a key role in the merger with Shearman & Sterling. Now a qualified coach and founder of Seward Advisory, she continues to advise leaders and sits on nonprofit boards focused on the arts and education.

Expect to Learn:

• The essential traits of successful law firm partners beyond just billing
• How emotional intelligence and pragmatism define modern legal leadership
• Why integration is key for lateral partners and what often goes wrong
• Insights into cultural transformation in global law firms
• What the future of legal work looks like—from hybrid challenges to Gen Z expectations

Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:

• [00:00] – Teaser
• [01:12] – Welcome to Beyond Billables Podcast
• [02:58] – Karen's Journey from a Shipyard Town to Law Firm Partner
• [07:05] – Key Attributes for a Partner: Client Focus and Courage
• [10:10] – The Leader's Shadow: From Eclipse to Partial Shade
• [13:24] – The Challenge of Lateral Hire Integration and "Reading the Air"
• [19:01] – Building US Offices and Uniting Global Cultures
• [24:44] – The Transition from Practitioner to Law Firm Leader
• [28:14] – Running for Managing Partner and Self-Reflection on Failure
• [35:33] – High-Profile Case: Chasing Stolen Trading Algorithms
• [46:01] – Future Factors for Firm Success: Complexity and Stakeholder Demands
• [49:39] – Life After Law: Coaching, Boards, and Designing a New Career
• [52:02] – One Golden Rule for Being a Successful Partner: Courage

Connect with Karen Seward:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sewardkaren/

Connect with Stephen Rodney:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/
• Company’s Website: https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/
• Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/

Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:

• Website: https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/

In this debut episode of Beyond Billables, host Stephen Rodney is joined by Simon Levine, Strategic Innovation Partner and Global co-CEO and Managing Partner at DLA Piper. With over 30 years of experience in the legal industry, Simon discusses his journey from making partner to leading one of the largest global law firms. He shares valuable insights on leadership, the qualities needed to be a successful partner, and how law firm culture impacts both personal and professional growth. Simon also reflects on his experiences with lateral moves and the evolving role of technology in the legal industry.

Simon’s journey into law began with a passion for history and a love for the dramatic side of legal careers. His drive and ambition took him through top law firms, ultimately leading him to become Managing Partner and Global CEO of DLA Piper. Specializing in commercial litigation, intellectual property, and media law, Simon has worked with high-profile clients in entertainment and tech.

Expect to Learn:

• The core attributes required to be a successful law firm partner
• The role of emotional intelligence and authenticity in leadership
• Key insights into integrating into new law firm environments
• How resilience and adaptability are crucial in today’s legal landscape
• The future of law firms, including AI integration and new business models

Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:

• [00:00] - Opening Thoughts on the Changing Legal Landscape
• [00:25] - Introduction of Simon Levine and Career Overview
• [03:01] - Simon’s Path to Becoming a Law Firm Partner
• [06:01] - What Makes a Successful Partner Beyond Billing
• [08:21] - Learning Leadership and Building Relationships
• [12:24] - Simon’s First Leadership Role and Career Progression
• [14:41] - Transitioning from Partner to Leader: Key Attributes
• [17:31] - Emotional Intelligence and Authenticity in Leadership
• [24:07] - Simon’s Best and Worst Moments as a Partner
• [32:30] - Lateral Moves and the Importance of Integration
• [39:16] - Why Some Lateral Hires Succeed or Fail
• [46:05] - Leadership Lessons and the Importance of Legacy
• [49:16] - Future Skills for Partners in a Changing Legal Sector
• [53:00] - Non-Negotiable Behaviours and Simon’s Golden Rule

Connect with Simon Levine:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonlevine/
• Company’s Website: https://www.shoosmiths.com/
• Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shoosmiths/

Connect with Stephen Rodney:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/
• Company’s Website: https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/
• Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/

Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:

• Website: https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/

Welcome to Beyond Billables, the essential podcast for law firm leaders where host Stephen Rodney, founder of Intogreat Coaching, tackles the critical challenge: The Integration Gap.

Why do new senior lawyer hires often fail to reach their full potential, even after a successful recruitment process?

Stephen and his guests will provide the tangible strategies needed to bridge that gap. Learn how to move beyond basic onboarding and ensure your most expensive talent becomes a long-term, profitable success.

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