What if the greatest lever for impact isn’t found in strategies or institutions, but in the quality of our relationships?

In this inaugural episode of The Relational Podcast, host David Jay talks with renowned network leadership expert Jane Wei-Skillern about how shifting our mindset from organizational control to relational trust can unlock transformative change.

Drawing from decades of research at Harvard, Stanford, and UC Berkeley, Jane shares powerful stories of leaders who chose humility over ego, trust over control, and community over individual success. Together, David and Jane explore the principles that set successful networks apart:

• Mission before organization
• Trust, not control
• Humility, not brand
• Constellations, not stars

Through thoughtful insights, personal reflections, and compelling poetry, this conversation invites listeners to rethink leadership and embrace relationality as a path toward lasting impact.

"It's easy to give up control when you never really had it in the first place."

Dive in, slow down, and discover why relationships—not institutions—hold the real power for systemic change.

Content by members of the Wasan community:
David Jay · Jane Wei · Sonja Betschart · Christine Lai · Ese Emerhi · Lily James Olds · Ana Amrein · Catherine Dempsey · Melanie Kahl · Georgie Nightingall · Sumitra Pasupathy · Fabian Pfortmüller · Meg Busse · Avani Parekh · Rachel Sinha

Script by Rachel Sinha and Ana Amrein

Artwork by Melanie KahlProduction by Efecto Colibrí