Contrary to Popular Opinion

Beyond Performance: The Real ROI in 2025


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In this episode, Todd Juneau and Kelly Maguire share why the most successful brands think like orchard owners. They nurture long-term brand value while still harvesting performance wins today.

It's not about choosing sides in the brand vs. performance debate; it's about understanding that they're two sides of the same coin.

What You'll Discover in This Episode:

Brand Loyalty vs. Algorithm Loyalty → Why customers who love your brand convert at 3x the rate of those who just clicked your ad

The Storytelling-to-Sales Pipeline → How authentic connection can turn casual browsers into lifetime customers

The Creator Economy Truth Bomb → Why influencers are secretly your most powerful brand amplifiers (when used correctly)

The 2025 ROI Framework → How to marry brand depth with performance dollars for maximum impact

Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 - Kicking Off: Why a Holistic Marketing Mindset Wins
  • 00:00:57 - Your Guides: Todd & Kelly Unfiltered
  • 00:01:18 - Cannes Chaos: What Marketers Should Really Take Away
  • 00:03:08 - Brand Power: Still the Ultimate Marketing Edge
  • 00:05:35 - Clash or Combo? Performance vs. Brand Building
  • 00:09:18 - Storytelling That Sells: Turning Clicks Into Loyalty
  • 00:26:03 - Creators & Influencers: The Hidden Brand Amplifiers
  • 00:34:35 - Wrapping Up: Marrying Brand Depth With Performance Dollars

Links and Resources:

  • Kelly Maguire on LinkedIn
  • Todd Juneau on LinkedIn
  • Vuja Dé Digital 

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Contrary to Popular OpinionBy Vuja Dé Digital