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I’ve told my wife I might need to retire in five years. Not because I want to stop working—but because I’m wondering whether AI will leave commercial lawyers with a profession that looks anything like the one we know today.

Zohar Fisher, founder of Robus and co-founder of LawFlex, joins me to debate that prediction. He sees disruption coming, but also an opportunity for adaptable lawyers who move quickly and build relationships their clients won’t want to lose.

We explore legal outsourcing, human review of AI-generated work, the uncertain path for junior lawyers, and the shift from hourly billing to value-based legal fees. Zohar explains the idea behind AI-native law firms, while I ask what happens to insurance, professional responsibility and the price clients will pay for human judgment.

We finish with a problem many commercial lawyers will recognize: AI turning a routine agreement into a long list of objections—and making a deal harder to close.

If you’re a lawyer, law student, founder or someone wondering what AI means for your own career, this conversation is for you.

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Diego Borgo helped bring Adidas into the NFT and metaverse world during one of the wildest moments in crypto history.

In this episode, Diego takes us behind the scenes of Adidas’ move into Web3 and reflects on whether the NFT boom was a failed experiment, a successful one, or simply too early.

We also dive deep into branding and storytelling: why great products aren't enough, what tech founders get wrong when explaining what they build, and how brands like Patagonia, Salesforce and Tesla create stories people want to become part of.

But the conversation eventually becomes much more personal. Diego opens up about faith, fatherhood, hope, leaving security behind, and the importance of showing your kids what's possible.

He also shares the story of the wall of images he created during one of the hardest periods of his life — pictures representing the future he wanted — and what happened when he looked back years later and realized he was living it.

Geoff White has spent over a decade at the intersection of technology and organized crime. As Channel 4 News' technology correspondent, he reported on the Snowden leaks, exposed the Talk Talk hack, and dug into fraud across the online dating industry. He's the co-creator of the BBC's Lazarus Heist, a chart-topping podcast on North Korea's hacking operations, and the author of three books — Crime Dot Com, Rinsed, and, for Audible, The Dark Web and AI: Friend or Foe, the latter released back in 2019, well before AI became a household conversation.

In this episode, Geoff joins Yitzy to talk about his path from local newspapers to investigative journalism, the difference between writing a book and building a podcast, and how crypto has genuinely changed the mechanics of money laundering — not made it impossible to trace, but made it faster to move. He also breaks down how his team pieced together 350,000 leaked internal messages from the Conti ransomware gang, translation quirks and all, and gives his take on recent AI-driven hacks, including the Hugging Face/OpenAI incident and the Cold Card wallet exploit — plus why he's skeptical of confident claims about how much AI is actually being used in phishing today.

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In this episode, we cover:

00:00 – Intro: who is Geoff White04:14 – From balloon modeler to investigative journalist09:25 – Going freelance and the leap into book writing11:05 – How book deals and advances actually work13:39 – Researching and writing Crime.com15:05 – Meeting Brett Johnson, the "OG of hacking"17:36 – Books vs. podcasts: what changes in the storytelling24:00 – What the reader knows and when: crafting a true-crime narrative26:18 – Rinsed: has crypto made money laundering easier, or just different?35:37 – Inside The Conti Files: leaked chats, translation chaos, and "the grandmas"42:30 – Personal safety and the risks of covering hackers directly44:22 – Revisiting AI: Friend or Foe, written in 201948:05 – The Hugging Face/OpenAI hack, the Cold Card exploit, and self-custody risk50:45 – Why Geoff won't say "AI phishing is worse" without the data

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In this episode, we cover CJ Hetherington's path from a self-taught teenager trading crypto in the UK's Lake District to Co-Founder and CEO of Limitless, one of the fastest-growing prediction market platforms built on Base.

CJ walks through his early builds - a gamified NFT protocol, the Atlantis World metaverse — and how a chance conversation led him and his Ukrainian co-founder to raise crypto donations for humanitarian aid within hours of the full-scale invasion, eventually hosting a hackathon inside a bomb shelter with Vitalik Buterin. From there, he traces Limitless's founding in late 2023, why staying outside the Polymarket/Kalshi duopoly has been an advantage, the CFTC review process for US market entry, and why he sees institutional hedging — not sports betting — as the real endgame for prediction markets. We close on what Limitless saw in the data during the World Cup and CJ's read on where the broader crypto market is headed next.

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In this episode, we cover Michael Terpin's journey from early internet PR (founding Globe Newswire, working with Motley Fool, Earthlink, and AOL) to becoming one of crypto's earliest and most recognized figures — a path that earned him the nickname "the godfather of crypto" from CNBC, by his account, for his PR work on Ethereum, Tether, and roughly 400 other early projects.

Terpin walks through his "Four Seasons of Bitcoin" framework — his own thesis on how fear-and-greed cycles play out predictably between halvings — and shares his (unverified, forward-looking) outlook on where he believes Bitcoin's cycle lows and highs may land in the years ahead. He also discusses meeting Coinbase's Brian Armstrong at the first Bitcoin conference in 2013, and his book and fund, both built around the Bitcoin Supercycle thesis.

Note: price levels and cycle predictions discussed are Terpin's own analysis and should not be taken as financial advice or confirmed fact.

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In one of the most unique conversations in Beyond the Code history, Yitzy sits down with Reuven "Ruby" Rivlin — the 10th President of the State of Israel — to talk about why, at 86 years old, he's betting on crypto.

Rivlin is now Honorary President of Bitcore Capital, a publicly traded Israeli company building regulated digital financial infrastructure — including a shekel-pegged stablecoin, Bitcoin-backed lending, and what could become Israel's first crypto-native digital bank and have recently entered into a very significant partnership with Lava Network. The company has assembled a team of former senior government officials, regulators, and law enforcement leaders specifically to earn the trust of the Israeli public and regulators alike.

But before all of that, Rivlin was a trial lawyer, a Jerusalem city councilor under Mayor Teddy Kollek, president of Beitar Jerusalem football club, a 30-year Knesset member, Speaker of the Knesset twice, Israel's Communications Minister, and finally — the President of Israel from 2014 to 2021.

In this episode:

• Why Rivlin joined Bitcore Capital and what they're actually building
• The regulatory challenges facing crypto adoption in Israel
• How assembling former chiefs of police, ministers, and regulators is a trust-building strategy — not just optics
• His vision for Israel as a leader in the digital financial revolution
• Stories from his legal career, the Knesset, Beitar Jerusalem, and his relationships with world leaders

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This episode was recorded live at Consensus Miami 2026.

Jonathan Schmalfeld — known as 'Birdnals' across Crypto Twitter — is Policy Director at The Digital Chamber. He came up doing soft IP litigation, got into crypto around 2015, and eventually turned what he was doing for fun into his full-time work.

We cover the NFT IP moment, what it takes to be a real Web3 lawyer, the knowledge-sharing culture that makes this community unique, and how he went from associate at a major law firm to advocating for the industry in front of Congress and regulators.

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Yitzy is joined by returning guest Mike Bacina, now a partner at NXT Law leading the firm out of Cayman, to talk about how boutique firms are gaining a real edge with AI, why the billable hour quietly works against adoption at big firms, and why "AI will take your job" is the same fear lawyers have had about every technology before it.

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Snir Levi is the founder and CEO of Nominis — a crypto compliance and blockchain intelligence platform. Before building Nominis, Snir was inside Celsius Network during its rise and sudden collapse, working in the security department with no warning of what was coming.

In this episode, Snir walks us through what it was actually like when Celsius froze withdrawals, how he turned that experience into a company, and what Nominis is uncovering today — including IRGC activity, sanction evasion through crypto, and why tracking inflows and outflows to Iran is the wrong way to look at the problem entirely.

We also get into the future of stablecoins, the slow death of the token economy, and where AI is reshaping compliance workflows.

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Sam Krichevsky and Sarah Figueroa are married, co-founders, and some of the most fun people I've met in this space.

We sat down at Coindesk's Consensus Miami 2026 to talk about their whole journey - from Sarah mining Ethereum in 2017 and founding GeoJam (a social music platform whose biggest investor was Mariah Carey) to watching it collapse after a single exchange dumped over 10% of their token supply in one night.

Now they're building Swivul - an all-in-one travel and entertainment booking platform built specifically for the Web3 and crypto industry. One-click checkout, crypto payments, concierge service, and, crucially, tools to actually measure the ROI on your travel and entertainment spend. Travel and entertainment is your second-largest controllable expense on a P&L, and almost nobody tracks it.

We also get into what it's really like to build a company with your spouse. Honest, funny, and worth hearing if you're considering it.

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