In this thought-provoking episode, Dr. Martin Wesley and Dr. David Whittinghill, along with guests Dr. Eric Beeson, Dr. Matt Buckley, Dr. Jerry Juhnke, Dr. Jill Sauerheber, and Dr. Giscard Petion, tackle the evolving challenges of assessing counseling students in a complex, people-centered profession. From video vignettes and AI simulations to the realities of gatekeeping, faculty dynamics, and accreditation hurdles, this conversation explores what's working and what needs to change. The group unpacks national testing redundancy, student quality concerns, and more, all while advocating for innovation, integrity, and diversity in counselor education.