In this episode, Amber and Martin delve into the intersections between personal and project wellness. They critique the traditional project management metrics of time, cost, and scope, suggesting that these overlook the intangible aspects such as collaboration, innovation, and personal engagement. Amber argues that both personal and project wellness should not be measured solely by traditional metrics, as these fail to capture the full scope of what constitutes success. Martin supports this by introducing the concept of return on engagement (ROE) as a more holistic measure of project success.