畢無正業 BMJY • Head in the Clouds (Feet on the Ground)

Timestamps

(00:00) “fighting for peace” by cory henry / (00:20) 我地兩姊妹 the wongs in a nutshell (chaotic) / (02:15) 睡前陪我聊一聊 #bedroompodcast #stars / (03:40) 介紹返, 我家姐 @yewiedorcaswong @musicpotatooo / (05:15) 成個維園阿伯咁 a bunch of old souls / (07:20) 下集預告 future episodes, teaser

(09:20) 近來好嗎 catching up / (11:20) 努力維繫的這個空間 maintaining a podcast / (13:05) 共同存在的慰藉 sonder and solace / (13:23) 與生俱來的使命感 passion projects, subliminal qualities, our intentions

(16:30) 創作瓶頸 creative roadblocks / (17:15)「被」展現 | 出品和作品之差 my work v.s what you see / (18:41) 飲食文化中的和諧感 authenticity in technicality (F&B) / (19:50)「天地人和」的概念 coexistence / (21:09) 有靈性的知識 emotional, spiritual intellect / (21:24) 探索共存空間 creators, artists’ soul

(25:15) 生命的節奏 rhythmic connection in food, in living / (26:55) 透過食物說故事 so many can cook, so few can move you / (27:48) 生存與生活 #好好活著 live a little / (29:15) 高山與低谷 ups and downs / (29:55) 一切到時 amalgamation

(31:00) 坪洲的可愛朋友 @uuffoo_studio 民創手藝、植物染料 / (31:50) 為理想的生活作出抉擇 all about choices and priorities / (33:40) 框架以外 stepping out of frames / (34:40) 找到屬於自己的舒適 passion projects, lifelong journeys / (35:30) @leahsfieldsnotes / (36:36) 用生命去感受、體驗 feel more, love more

(37:45) Tiny Desk | Angelique Kidjo

下集見 | Second hug 🫂

Song Credits

"Fighting for Peace" Cory Henry / "Get You" "Little Rowboat" "Japanese Denim" "Who hurt you" "Violet" "Streetcar" "Hold me down" "We find love blessed" "Cyanide" "Blessed" Daniel Caesar / Angélique Kidjo: Tiny Desk Concert

Timestamps

(00:00) 最近生活的重量 ⚓️ (01:42) on the receiving end (03:42) some good news (05:42) kindness (06:20) 醫院篇 (09:00) 烏克蘭篇: @vet.crew (10:42) 香港篇: @imsheeppoo @makeawishhk (12:25) 圍個爐 🔥🪵 (14:12) 我地就係別人既環境 (14:48) epilogue: the housekeeper and the professor by yōko ogawa

Featured tracks

If We're Being Honest (Novo Amor) / 愛因斯坦羅森橋 (林家謙) / 萬一你是個好人 (林家謙) / Orpheus (Sara Bareilles) / 未來見 (RubberBand) / Repeat Until Death (Novo Amor) / Hugging You (Tom Rosenthal ft. Billie Marten)

Side A

(00:00) 深夜卡式帶 / (00:52) 喜歡 analogue 的人 / (04:02) 還在錄 podcast 的人 / (06:58) 仍會寫信的我們 / (07:08) john and hank green / (08:18) letters live / (09:12) “in event of moon disaster” / (11:46) 下集預告: 我們的 movie club / (13:05) 今集預告: a response to juniper

Side B

(14:40) our vulnerabilities / (15:02) 在對的時間遇到對的劇集 — euphoria and bojack horseman / (17:38) on conversation: 好好來一場對話 / (20:15) on empathy: 我們與吸毒者的距離 / (23:28) 同理心的底線: tár | shut up and dance / (25:15) 同理心的考驗: 唔好意思我唔識普通話 / (27:22) on redemption: 當你自命無可救贖 / (29:20) the problem with despair / (30:06) i don’t think i believe in “deep down”

(31:45) 一種信仰: believing in the poetry / (32:38) “some call it god” by jabari asim / (35:32) 飛天意粉怪的啟示

(38:15) creating a safe space / (39:38) “stages of change” model / (41:54) 這刻我們在一起: we’re here because we’re here / (44:48) closing: trouble don’t last always

新鮮出爐呢一集 🍞 請黎 Juniper 同我地分享佢既 2022: her inspirations, struggles, and everything in between 🥢 聽完佢講 Euphoria 呢集 Christmas special, 我忍唔住走左去睇, 而 in the face of great writing (and acting) 我實在冇咩可以補充, 唯一可以做既就係推薦大家去 give it a try 🫗 好多謝 Juniper 咁個人既分享, 希望聽緊既你都會從中找到一份慰藉、平安 ⛰

prologue

(00:00) “a song for you” by donny hathaway (1971) / (02:08) hello, i’m juniper 身兼十職乜都做啲 #pastrychef / (03:10) applied food studies | human based experience 何謂飲食文化人類學 / (03:48) a year of revolutionary change 人生路上的轉變 / (04:20) my 2022 life inspiration picks: mental health and career aspirations 關於心理健康及職業志向 / (05:50) on isolation and a glamourized life 曾與孤獨走過的路 / (07:12) “it saved my life” 在低谷遇上《毒癮女孩》

chapter 1: "you’ve got to believe in the poetry"
euphoria “trouble don't last always" HBO美劇《毒癮女孩》/ trigger warning: addiction, depression

(08:12) about sam levinson and zendaya 故事背後的創作團隊 / (09:58) what our schools failed to teach us 香港教育制度下的心理健康教育 / (10:20) intersectional spheres of human life 人生從來不是非黑即白 / (10:40) conversations at a diner on christmas eve 關於呢一集 / (11:25) when empathy falls short: addiction as a disease 對吸毒者的同理心 / (12:35) solace in acceptance 同行的慰藉 / (13:12) “it will always remain a mystery” 在人生路上找尋答案 / (14:42) “a real fucking revolution, is at its core, spiritual” 一個真實的 屬於你的革命 / (15:30) how this parallels my role as a chef 廚師的角度和使命

chapter 2: on career aspirations and making choices
a guilty conscience《毒舌大狀》

(21:12) dayo wong 黃子華 / (21:45) about the movie 關於呢套戲 / (22:32) “everything is wrong” 面對不公義 / (23:22) frank ocean: we always have a choice 為自己的人生做抉擇 / (24:02) being intentional with time 給自己足夠的時間和創作的空間

epilogue: some days, existing is enough

(24:22) silver linings 天天難過 天天過 / (24:48) with a grain of salt 若有天再回首 / (25:25) be proud of the work no one sees 多給自己一份愛 / (26:04) true spirit 乘著人生風浪 / (26:55) a song for you 給你的一首歌

background music credits 🎧

A Song For You - Donny Hathaway / Studio Ghibli compilation playlist - TalesWeaver Music / Run Cried The Crawling - Agnes Obel / Howl’s Moving Castle - Joe Hisashi / Jazz Music In The Rain - Jazz Cafe Ambience / 마음대로 Cover by Yewie Dorcas & Walter Kwan - Lee Jin Ah / May Rain Cover by Yewie Dorcas- Leah Dou / 長大 Growing Up - 插班生 The Freshman / One Summer’s Day - Joe Hishashi / Neverland - Zendaya

Juniper IG: @chefling_

「90年代拍既電影，2022年再睇返，發現呢個世界好多野都冇我地想像中改變得咁大…」❤️‍🩹 對 Gen 而言，2022年係 a year of rediscovery 🫧🐠 而今集佢會同大家分享一套 personal favourite: Tim Burton 既 Edward Scissorhands ✂️ 透過呢套1990年拍既戲，仲有 @hoccgoomusic 2005年既《梁祝下世傳奇》講講同理心，講講愛，講講W小姐，同埋呢個社會如何看待同自己不一樣既人

路，仍然漫長，but there is hope ✨ 希望2023年，世界會繼續一小步，一小步地變得更友善，更可愛

Timestamps 📍

Edward Scissorhands

Outro
(14:42) Butterfly Lovers: love is love 關於梁祝下世傳奇 / (15:42) Congrats to Henry! LGBTQ+ rights 遲來 (仍要爭取) 的公義 / (17:35) Capacity for love and empathy 尊重與同理心: 最後還是愛

「眨個眼，已經一月中啦」再眨個眼，原來已經二月中 🌱 唔多講，想講既都已經錄低晒 🎙 唯一想補充既係：多謝依然係度，依然收聽緊既你， I'm glad you are here. 2022 Year End Episode 我地會分成兩集，而呢一集 Part 1 會係我同 Denise 既分享。希望你會鍾意呢一集。2023年祝大家平安，快樂 ⛰

Timestamps 📍
(00:00) Hello / (00:38) 踏入新一年 #newyearnewme / (03:12) 重新定個位 (Re)defining the podcast and myself / (04:42) 不安於現狀 A blessed unrest that keeps us marching / (05:55) 黎緊有咩聽 What to expect from the podcast / (08:10) 終於入正題 2022 inspirations ✨

I. Jasmin
(08:48) 夢想期限 Tick, Tick... Boom! / (09:26) 關於呢套戲 About Jonathan Larson / (11:18) 人類的美與醜 Humans at their best and worst

Part 1 (12:10) 三十歲危機 Opening number / (14:22) 電影入面既 Andrew Garfield / (15:58) 其實落雨又有咩好怕喎 Despair as fuel / Part 2 (17:15) 致：拍緊拖既情侶 Interlude: Therapy / Part 3 (20:25) 宜：擁抱生命 Closing number: Louder Than Words / (21:24) 尚未找到的答案 Having more questions than answers / (23:46) 尋找答案的旅程 Letters to a Young Poet / (25:02) 關於寫作與創作 What it means to be a writer / (25:58) 死亡詩社 To live deliberately / (26:35) 好好活著 The least we could do / (28:32) 下回再續：Everything Everywhere All At Once 🪨

II. Denise
(30:22) Say 個 hi | A brief self intro #心靈雞湯系列 #利申不是briancha

Part 1
(32:04) 關於突破自我枷鎖 Breaking free from self doubt / (32:46) 我的毅行者經歷 My Trailwalker experience / (35:00) 能限制你的 只有你自己 Limiting beliefs / (35:38) Step 1: Insight / (35:45) Step 2: 理性分析 / (36:25) Step 3: 計劃與實踐

Part 2
(37:48) 關於克服恐懼 Overcoming our fears / (38:45) 恐懼的根源和存在意義 The roots and value of fear / (39:50) 關於恐懼的名言 Quotes about fear / (40:52) 回望疫情之初 The COVID-19 pandemic / (43:16) 當我看到兩條線 Getting COVID-19 / (43:55) 一行禪師有云 The only way to ease our fear / (45:04) 恐懼與自我枷鎖 Fear and our limiting beliefs

(係呀, I’m back) ✨ 新朋友, hello! 希望你地會鍾意呢個 podcast, 聽得舒服 🌾 (舊朋友, 多謝你地仲係度)

蟲前有個女仔 —

(00:23) 在英國留學和工作的日子 🌊 #海洋與自然歷史攝影

(03:02) 返到香港 ⛰ #大自然大不同 (究竟有幾不同) @ RTHK

(05:25) 仲有仲有🐍 #WildlifeAvengers #香港首張兩棲類動物圖鑑

(07:25) 仲有仲有 🐢 #和你執 之 生態導賞 x 垃圾清理

(08:42) 生態攝影 先講生態 #動物保育 | On animal conservation

#9 We’re not alone

(09:35) 我們與動物的距離 | Us versus them: humans and animals

(12:35) 我們對動物的偏見 | Common biases and (mis)conceptions

(16:12) 城市裡的花狹口蛙 | They all float down here……

#15 Something very gentle

(18:50) 自然保育的溫柔 | To be kind and gentle to nature 🌿

(21:06) 香港現況: 我們做得夠好嗎 | Are we doing enough in HK?

(21:26) 野鳥攝影之陋習 | Malpractice in wildlife photography

(23:08)可以干預自然界嗎 | Human intervention on nature

(24:30) #白海豚失樂園 | Dolphin filming etiquette 🛥

(26:22) 攻擊幼童的馬騮 | The consequences of feeding wildlife 🐒

#30 It’s getting dark

(29:46) 看人類即使渺小 | Act locally 🌎

(32:00) 對於未來的看法 | #SmallWins #OneStepAtATime

Hi #BookClub episode 🛋🪴 今集我地會講吓 Being Mortal 呢本書，作者係美國著名外科醫生 Atul Gawande 🩺 藉住呢個機會討論關於 aging, mortality, end-of-life care 等議題，希望大家聽完會對本書或以上議題有多一分認識，多一分興趣 🌾

Timestamps 📍

(00:56) 呢集既 Flow | #Escapril prompts by Savannah Brown ✍🏻

#2 A Separation

(01:34) 重新起步 | A separation from podcasting 🎙

(02:30) 疫情下的距離 | A separation amid COVID-19

(04:16) 睇呢本書既過程 | Reading this book 🚶🏻‍♂️

#8 _____ as Medicine

(06:02) 呢本書啱邊個睇 | Who should read this book (you!)

(07:18) 其實本書講咩架 | Quick summary of the book

(10:52) 啱今日既香港嗎 | Context and applicability to 2022 Hong Kong

(12:58) 為護老院注入生命既小實驗 | Dr Bill Thomas and his 100 birds (1991)

(17:56) 點先係個「好醫生」 | What being a "good doctor" means

(22:14) 難以啟齒既壞消息 | Breaking bad news ⛰

(23:36) 醫生既角色 | The role of a doctor #morethanjustfixing 🩹

(25:52) 紓緩治療既討論 | End-of-life discussions: a list 💬

(28:10) 作者與父親既經歷 | Dr Gawande and his father's end-of-life care

(28:58) 自主與安全 | Autonomy v.s. Safety: The case of Harry Truman (1980)

(32:04) 現實與理想的距離 | Bridging the gap between theory and reality

(34:26) _____ as Medicine ✍🏻

#20 Trying To Be Good

(35:32) 不斷嘗試 不斷努力 | To try, always 🌾

(37:12) "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good."

完 ～

Ideas from the Book 💡

•  The experiment of Dr Bill Thomas (p.111)

•  The Three Plagues of nursing home existence (p.116)

•  "The Philosophy of Loyalty" by Josiah Royce, on seeking a cause beyond ourselves as an intrinsic human need (p.126)

•  "Four Models of the Physician-Patient Relationship" by Ezekiel and Linda Emanuel, on the types of doctors (p.199)

•  "Asylums" by Erving Goffman, on the likeness between prisons and nursing homes (p.73)

•  The concept of "assisted living" (Ch.4)

Quotes from the Book 💬

•  "(The role of a doctor) is to enable well-being. And well-being is about the reasons one wishes to be alive." (p.259)

•  "We want autonomy for ourselves and safety for those we love." (p.106)

•  "If to be human is to be limited, then the role of the caring professions and institutions — from surgeons to nursing homes — ought to be aiding people in their struggle with those limits." (p.260)

總算趕得切 2021 年完之前 edit 好呢一集！祝大家新年平安，快樂，我地一齊走落去，好嗎 🌾

"I see how winter is forbidding: it grows the heart by lessening everything else and demands that we keep trying."

Timestamps 📍

(00:00) 序: Bye 2021 ✨

(01:08) 這一年，我們失去的 | On loss

(02:56) "Letters in Winter" by Maya C. Popa 🏔

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(04:26) "Sowork", so what? 社工之服務對象和工作性質 👶🏻 👦🏻 👨🏻 👴🏻

(10:48) 關於 SEN 小朋友 (*special educational needs，即特殊教育需要) 🌱

(11:36) 香港對 SEN 小朋友既支援 | Our support for SEN children #NeverEnough

(14:02) 融合教育係王道？邊個融入邊個？| On inclusion and integration 🧸

(17:47) 小分享：為 SEN 小朋友而設的社區合唱團 | Volunteering with "The Rivertones"

(20:20) 如何跟 SEN 小朋友相處 | Getting along with SEN children: trust and rapport 🌻

(25:45) 關於工作及自己的定位 | Finding your cause and career path

(28:15) 香港與音樂治療 | Music therapy in Hong Kong? 🎹

今集小介紹 Our recommendation 💡

•  Erika: The Good Doctor (2017–) | On the portrayal of SEN individuals on media

•  Frances: SEN Foundation (IG: sen_foundation) | "Normality" is just a bell-shaped curve

•  Jasmin: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark Haddon (2003)

Timestamps 📍

(00:30) Mary Shelley 筆下的Frankenstein (1818) 與 Benedict Cumberbatch and Jonny Lee Miller 的演繹 (2011)

(04:45) 普羅米修斯 點解關我事 | The thing about Prometheus

(06:15) 第一節：卡夫卡的短篇小說 及其筆下的普羅米修斯 | "The Rescue Will Begin in Its Own Time" by Franz Kafka

(08:30) Revisiting "The Revenant" (2015) by Alejandro González Iñárritu

(10:30) The New Yorker: Fiction 與 Ben Okri 的訪談

(11:34) 第二節： 艾格斯的驚悚片 “The Lighthouse” (2019) 與 Willem Dafoe and Robert Pattinson 的黑白困獸鬥

(15:16) 當普羅米修斯遇上海神 | Prometheus meets Poseidon

(19:02) 第三節：關於宗教 | Let’s talk about Religion

(20:08) 宗教與醫學的共通點 #DoNoHarm #ToComfortAlways | Religion and Medicine: A Consequentialist take

(21:42) 一位媽媽的經歷 | Religion and Creating Communities

(23:05) 當信仰帶來痛苦 | Religion and Creating Suffering

(25:20) 若果我們拋開理智 #人類群星閃耀時 | "The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters" (1799) by Goya