Bible News Prophecy with Dr Bob Thiel and Steve Dupuie
Who Gave the World the Bible? The Chain of Custody According to the Church of God
Steve Dupuie and Dr. Bob Thiel examine competing claims about the biblical canon, arguing that God gave the world the Bible and that the Church of God preserved the chain of custody from the apostles through Asia Minor rather than receiving the canon from later Roman Catholic councils.
The Central Question: Who Gave the World the Bible?
In this Bible News Prophecy episode from the Continuing Church of God series, Steve Dupuie asks Dr. Bob Thiel a direct question: “Who gave the world the Bible?” Dr. Thiel’s answer is equally direct: “God did.” From there, the episode becomes a detailed response to Roman Catholic claims that the Church of Rome gave the world the Bible, while Dr. Thiel argues that the canon was known and preserved by the Church of God from the beginning. The corrected transcript notes that no outside sources were used in the editorial cleanup and that unresolved historical names, titles, denominational claims, and website spellings should be verified before publication beyond the transcript.
Roman Catholic Claims and Dr. Thiel’s Challenge
Dr. Thiel discusses Catholic sources that claim the Bible cannot exist apart from the Church and that Rome played the decisive role in proposing or declaring the canon. He references Jimmy Akin’s The Bible Is a Catholic Book, Catholic Bible 101, EWTN, Pope Damasus I, the Council of Rome in 382, and the Council of Trent in the 16th century. Dr. Thiel challenges these claims by arguing that Rome itself admitted uncertainty about books such as Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 John, Jude, and Revelation. In his view, this uncertainty shows that Rome did not have the same chain of custody that the Church of God had.
Scripture, Inspiration, and the Problem of a Late Canon
The episode then turns to the theological problem Dr. Thiel sees in the idea that Christians did not know the canon for hundreds or even more than a thousand years. He cites Hebrews 13:5 and 2 Timothy 3 to argue that God would not leave His people without the Scriptures needed to become complete. Dr. Thiel also agrees with the idea that books inspired by God were inspired from the moment they were written, regardless of whether later councils recognized them. His central point is that a council did not make Scripture inspired; God inspired the books, and the true Church would have known and preserved them.
Asia Minor, John, Polycarp, and the Chain of Custody
A major part of Dr. Thiel’s argument centers on Asia Minor. He says many New Testament books were written either to people in Asia Minor or by people connected to Asia Minor, and he identifies the Apostle John as the last original apostle and final biblical writer. Dr. Thiel teaches that John had the complete canon and passed it to Polycarp, whom he presents as a disciple of John. He also references the Harris Fragment, James Moffatt, and the claim that the apostolic canon was first formed in Asia Minor, where the Church of God was predominant until the early third century.
Early Church of God Witnesses and the Canon
Dr. Thiel presents several early figures as supporting the Church of God chain of custody. He says Polycarp’s letter to the Philippians quotes or alludes to all 27 New Testament books, and that Polycarp described the Philippians as well versed in the sacred Scriptures. He also discusses Melito of Sardis, who he says verified the Old Testament canon and did not include the Apocrypha; Polycrates of Ephesus, who said he had gone through every sacred Scripture; and Serapion of Antioch, who said the Scriptures had been handed down to him. Together, these examples are used to argue that the canon was known and preserved outside later Roman Catholic definitions.
Disputed Books, Apocrypha, and Later Church Decisions
The episode contrasts Dr. Thiel’s claimed Church of God continuity with uncertainty among Greco-Roman, Alexandrian, Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant authorities. He discusses Origen, Cyprian of Carthage, Lucian of Antioch, Eusebius, Jerome, Augustine, Pope Innocent I, Martin Luther, Zwingli, the Council of Trent, the King James Version, the Synod of Jerusalem, and the Protestant removal of the Apocrypha from later King James editions. Dr. Thiel argues that these later disputes and decisions show that many religious traditions were still uncertain about which books belonged in the Bible long after the Church of God had already preserved the canon.
God, the Apostles, and the Continuing Church of God Conclusion
Steve closes by returning to the original question: who gave the world the Bible? Dr. Thiel answers that God gave the world the Bible, and that the Church of God received it from the apostles through the Holy Spirit. He argues that Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, and agnostic scholarly views often assume nobody knew the canon for a long time, but the Continuing Church of God rejects that conclusion. The episode ends by directing listeners to BibleNewsProphecy.net, ccog.net, and Continuing Church of God literature for more interviews, articles, audio content, and free materials.