In this episode, Philip welcomes Cole Martin again, who has been travelling around Aotearoa with two visitors to our country. Together we interview Dr Lamma Mansour, a sociologist and theologian who is a Palestinian citizen of Israel from Nazareth and Dr Yousef Al Khouri, the Academic Dean of Bethlehem Bible College, who was born and grew up in Gaza and who now lives in Bethlehem near the field where the angels appeared to the shepherds to announce the birth of Jesus. We talk about life for Palestinians both inside the territory of Israel and in the West Bank and Gaza.