Many people do not realize that much of the apocalyptic ideas we have about the end times were not in the Book of Revelation at all but, in fact, in the Book of Daniel in the Hebrew Bible, or Old Testament of Christian Scriptures. This book, too, is apocalyptic, meaning that it has hidden or symbolic meanings that require interpretation and deeper understanding. Join E.J. and Karen as they delve into the stories of this book, mining both the historical meanings as well as deeper spiritual meanings for our own times as well. The fourth installment will be from chapter 5, looking at the meaning of the handwriting on the wall.